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  <title>Comments for College Students Arrested For Refusing To Pay Tip</title>
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    <published>2009-11-20T03:00:32Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-24T01:12:29Z</updated>
    <title>College Students Arrested For Refusing To Pay Tip</title>
    <summary>--&gt;Should you be required by law to pay a gratuity if you don&apos;t think the restaurant&apos;s service was worth it? The police in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania think so, and they arrested two college students for refusing to pay a $16.35 tip over what they claim was poor service. Update 11/23/09: the charges will be dropped.</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><!--<img src="http://consumerist.com/images/consumerist/2009/11/111909-006-tip.jpg" width="160" height="160" class="left" />-->Should you be required by law to pay a gratuity if you don't think the restaurant's service was worth it? The police in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania think so, and they arrested two college students for <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20091119_College_students_arrested_for_not_paying_tip.html">refusing to pay a $16.35 tip</a> over what they claim was <a class="autolink" title="Click here to read more posts tagged #poorservice" title="Click here to read more posts tagged #poorservice" href="http://consumerist.com/tag/poorservice/">poor service</a>. <b>Update 11/23/09:</b> the <a href="http://consumerist.com/5411149">charges will be dropped.</a></p>
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<p>"You can't give us terrible, terrible service and expect a tip," said Pope, a 22-year-old Moravian College senior who's a Pottsville native, according to the Lehigh Valley Express-Times.</p>
<p>They had to find their own napkins and cutlery while their waitress caught a smoke, had to ask the bar for soda refills, and had to wait over an hour for salad and wings, they told NBC10.</p>
<p>The pub, which was very busy that night, took the $73, but then called the cops, who treated the matter as a theft.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20091119_College_students_arrested_for_not_paying_tip.html">"College students arrested for not paying tip"</a> [Philly.com] <i>(Thanks to WinShape!)</i><br />
(Photo: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/macbeck/4080098220/">BLW Photography</a>)</p>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:20000482</id>
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    <title>Comment from imagaymer on 2009-11-24</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I would have left her a tip on the napkin. I would have written "don't stare directly into the sun".<br />
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    <published>2009-11-24T14:02:25Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17016207</id>
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    <title>Comment from Lynadianya on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Lynadianya</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969886" rel="nofollow">petermv</a>: <br />
My fiance is Scottish.  Last year (when the dollar was about .50 to the Pound) we went to the UK for his sister's wedding.  The amount of money that we spent on food was mind boggling!  It was far and above the most money we spent on the trip.</p>
<p>Example:  Burger King.  I need a whopper pick me up (spent an absolute fortune the night before getting buzzed at the hotel bar and I have found the best solution to a scotch hangover to be a big greasy Whopper).  I ordered a Jr. Whopper meal with a fries and a coke which came out, I think, to be about 5 pounds.  That, at the time, was a $10 fast food burger - something I can get here for less than $4.  Now, lets look at lunch.  My fiance, his father and I went to a small restaurant in the Borders.  Lovely food, great service, $18 worth of coffee!!!  Free refills on coffee apparently don't exist.  The coffee was 3 pounds a cup and we each had 3 cups.  That was 9 pounds for coffee alone.  We had a small appetizer for 8 pounds ($16) and each of our lunches was anywhere between 10 and 15 pounds ($20 to $30).  The portions were ample and the service was great (we even received the best performance ever of the Haggis tale from our waitress) but I still think that this meal was ridiculously overpriced.  This lunch ended up costing us about $90.  And to top it all off, my Fiance's father still put down a couple of pound coins for tip.</p>
<p>So, yes, you have your 8 pound burgers, but understand that is at least $12 to us here (now that the dollar has gone up a bit against the pound).  Our restaurant food prices are significantly cheaper.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17006773</id>
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    <title>Comment from MissUnderstood on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <name>MissUnderstood</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I can't believe all the stingy people on here.  Restaurant workers are paid less than minimum and then taxed on estimated tips. Without tips they make almost nothing. The tips ARE their pay. If I don't like the service in a store I don't shop there again, but the salespeople still get paid.  If you stay an eat you have already gotten service.  Just pay and never go back.  Jeez, you all sound like nightmare customers, makes me wonder if it's really the waiters that are the problem.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984948</id>
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    <title>Comment from Tabe on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <name>Tabe</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: <br />
Well, here in Washington, wait staff start at $8 an hour and still get tips.  And yet restaurants haven't all magically gone out of business.  And steaks don't cost $60.</p>
<p>The idea that food would suddenly become ridiculously expensive is nonsense.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984046</id>
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    <title>Comment from mrgrigson on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mrgrigson</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: I wondered about this for a while until I saw a comment from Waiter Rant.  Since then, if it's a place that usually does sitdown service, I'll throw in 10%.  I usually do 15-20% for sitdown service, but I'll go as high as 30-40% if it's breakfast (given how cheap the meals are to begin with, and if they check the level of my coffee cup at least twice over the meal).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973914</id>
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    <title>Comment from respectthet on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>respectthet</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is a tough call.</p>
<p>I can say, as a former server, that Automatic Gratuity has saved me quite a few times.  When you're taking care of a large party, especially if it takes up your entire section, it can become exceptionally challenging to keep up with all of the requests.</p>
<p>Automatic Gratuity is designed to protect the server, whose livelihood is based almost exclusively on tips, from being screwed.  It's like insurance against the fact that you have all of your eggs in one basket.  If you run your ass off for a table of 12, which takes up your whole section, give good service and they leave you $5 on a $400 bill, is that fair?</p>
<p>That said, I've never heard of automatic gratuity on a table of less than 8 people, and I've certainly never heard of a situation where a table has objected to auto gratuity and not gotten it taken off.</p>
<p>There has to be more to this story.  Either the server wasn't as terrible as claimed, the server was friends with one of the managers who went to bat for her, or there's some kind of history here.</p>
<p>In sum, Automatic Gratuity is an invaluable protection for good servers against bad patrons.  But they have to earn it.  It shouldn't be an entitlement.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972964</id>
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    <title>Comment from atlibertytosay on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>atlibertytosay</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I have a hunch that this would be a perfect case to handle on People's Court or Judge Judy</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972915</id>
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    <title>Comment from tizeye on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>tizeye</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>There is a reason you pay after the meal. I understand that by ordering the food you are entering in a contract, but if the service is less than expected or plain unacceptable, the amount of gratuity should be negotiable.</p>
<p>What these kids did wrong was walk out instead of bringing the bill to the manager and disputing the gratuity expected (but I believe not legally required).</p>
<p>I waited tables for 6 years in my teens and 20s. If you are good, you make a lot more money than most jobs that don't require a college degree (plus free or discounted food, heck yeah). If you are a bad server, you get bad tips. Sometimes you just get bad customers who think that tipping is their chance to prove their rights and won't tip over 10%, if at all. It stinks but you don't go chasing anyone down for it. What percent tip would have been acceptable in this case? Why is a party of 6 held to higher tip standards than any other patron?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972850</id>
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    <title>Comment from macruadhi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>macruadhi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: I disagree with you, McDonalds restauants do quite well, and they pay at least minimum wage! I realise the food is not the same quality as that found in "sit down" restaurants, but when you consider that the "biscuit makers" make in excess of $2 over minimum wage, and several products they sell are less than $2 each and they are profitable, yet fancier places couldn't?</p><br />
<p>Why should a waiter/waitress check on you? IT'S THEIR JOB! The tip is meant to be a layer of icing on the cake that is their wages. Don't give me personalised service?, don't get the tip.</p><br />
<p>Time limits on how long I can stay there? Then my shadow shall not darken your door, nor will the shadows of all the people I have persuaded to boycott your business. Would you rather loose a few bucks due to slow turnover?, or loose hundreds of dollars because you don't know how to treat a customer?</p><br />
<p>And lastly, given how I've been treated at these places, I'd much rather they be self serve. At least then I would something that resembles proper service.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972625</id>
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    <title>Comment from seanpenn on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>seanpenn</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966727" rel="nofollow">Michael Belisle</a>: <br />
I don't think the word "mandatory" was used.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972484</id>
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    <title>Comment from seanpenn on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <name>seanpenn</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: <br />
Huh?<br />
OK, that place calls for a 18% "mandatory" tip.<br />
Let's call it a 20% service charge.<br />
Add that to the $20 steak, it becomes $24.  How can your steak now be $60 if servers are being paid a decent wage?  <br />
Are you saying that after tips a waiter would make $4 whereas if he were working for a real wage (as oppose to tips) he would make $40?!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970518</id>
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    <title>Comment from turtlebax on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>turtlebax</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>This is an example of how our use of language has been distorted. A tip is no longer a voluntrary payment, it is now mandetory. Warrenty? It's not really a promise to stand by your product or service, it's ...it's... we'll have to get back to you; maybe.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968966</id>
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    <title>Comment from richtergasse on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>richtergasse</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968026" rel="nofollow">outlulz</a>: They will split the service fee six ways as well.  I've had this done regularly at restaurants.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from richtergasse on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>richtergasse</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966082" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: If the girl got so frustrated waiting on a soda she got up to get a refill herself, I'm guessing alcohol may not have been involved.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from richtergasse on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>richtergasse</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968356" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: But it's not a *tip*.  It is a mandatory service fee the restaurant is charging.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968470</id>
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    <title>Comment from something1 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>something1</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968322" rel="nofollow">jarhead906</a>: I'm a college student and I paid a Jimmy John's delivery guy a $5 tip for <i>a handjob in the back of his Cavalier</i>.</p>
<p>/fixed<br />
//bored</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967141</id>
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    <title>Comment from jgan on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jgan</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I sure hope they go out of business, that will teach the others a lesson.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:09Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965733</id>
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    <title>Comment from andre_nickatina on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>andre_nickatina</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The (18%!) tip was added to the bill. They didn't pay the full bill, just the food. That's why the restaurant called the cops.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:08Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965229</id>
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    <title>Comment from dkreifus on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>dkreifus</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. But it is also motivation to do a good job. I've been a waiter, and I've seen bad service. I give no less than 20% when the service is mediocre...I leave 10% for bad service.</p>
<p>But theft? I don't think.</p>
<p>Also..FYI...when gratuity is added for a party 6/8 or more, it is not required. It is a suggestion. If the service was poor, speak to the manager and inform them. Just another thing I learned while working as a waiter. (It was someone else, not me, I can proudly say.)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:08Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965121</id>
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    <title>Comment from flavious27 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>flavious27</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: it deals with restaurants then paying a server a full salary not $2 or $3 an hour.  for wait staff and patrons, this system works because you are paying someone to treat you right.  the cost to the consumer will be the same if wait staff is paid like $10 an hour because the restaurant will just increase prices to cover the added salary expense.  wait staff for the most part gets a good deal because 1) they only pay taxes on the money they report 2) your good regulars will pay you better than a set rate.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:08Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047984</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c17047816" rel="nofollow">treimel</a>: How do you reconcile this line?: Where compensation for service is ordinarily paid immediately upon the rendering of such service, as in the case of hotels and restaurants, refusal to pay or absconding without payment or offer to pay gives rise to a presumption that the service was obtained by deception as to intention to pay.</p>
<p>If they skipped out on the bill *entirely* would it apply?  If not, why?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047859</id>
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    <title>Comment from treimel on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>treimel</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c17047816" rel="nofollow">treimel</a>:</p><br />
<p>and ... sure enough, charges dropped:<br /><a href="http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/all-tip-charges-112309-cn,0,3955261.story" rel="nofollow">[www.mcall.com]</a></p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047825</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16994716" rel="nofollow">windycity</a>: I would agree with you, except for the fact that restaurants that do this actually add the charge to the bill.  If it were truly optional, it wouldn't end up on the bill at the end of the night.  If the restaurant intended it to truly be optional, they would have left it off like every other instance of gratuities.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047816</id>
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    <title>Comment from treimel on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>treimel</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c17047382" rel="nofollow">billy</a>:</p><br />
<p>I practice in Pa--the statute you cite is NOT applicable. you're just dead wrong.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047382</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c17042389" rel="nofollow">maltboy1</a>: &gt;&gt;&gt;The law you cited pertains only to the provision of food and lodging.</p>
<p>That's why this ordinance applies.</p>
<p>And, like I said before, I'm assuming that the judge wouldn't buy a bs argument like "even though it says the gratuity will be added, you don't have to pay it."</p>
<p>Where are you getting your info about this policy not being legally binding?  It's part of the cost of service that the parties agreed to when they sat down at the restaurant.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:06Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047181</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I think a good alternative solution to this is to pay an insultingly small tip and write feedback all over the table with ketchup.  :)</p>
<p>Then take a picture of it all and post it on yelp.com as the restaurant's image ha ha.</p>
<p><a href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_krdmui0ROlU/SUugxQ7_s4I/AAAAAAAAFxQ/bAJAiBojBls/s400/we-waited-30-min-no-service-written-in-ketchup-tom1.jpg" rel="nofollow">[lh4.ggpht.com]</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:05Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17047045</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16976225" rel="nofollow">Cheapskate Brill</a>: @<a href="#c16976225" rel="nofollow">Cheapskate Brill</a>: @<a href="#c16976262" rel="nofollow">razz4901</a>: not legally, not if it is listed as a gratuity.</p>
<p>I think it would be helpful if the OP / Diners provided a pdf of the receipt in question (if available) - that would settle the issue.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:05Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17046968</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c17040477" rel="nofollow">Areyouagoodlittleconsumer</a>: ...lawsuit against the police and the pub"...I meant</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:05Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17042389</id>
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    <title>Comment from maltboy1 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>maltboy1</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>The law you cited pertains only to the provision of food and lodging. Gratuity is a separate voluntary payment not covered by this. Even if it is "policy" to add it to the bill, it is not legally binding. This case will never make it to court, and if the kids are smart, they will lawyer up and sue the establishment for their trouble and humiliation.@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16992612" rel="nofollow">billy</a>:</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:03Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17040477</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
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    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I contacted the local ACLU on the diner's behalf.  They said if the diners contact them, they will represent them in a lawsuit against the police and the diner and getting charges dropped.  Contact info: info@aclupa.org</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:32:02Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17033898</id>
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    <title>Comment from Zeidust on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Zeidust</name>
        <uri>http://www.comicspace.com/zeidust/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966462" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: Cowards.  I leave twenty percent on bad service, and tell the server what was wrong.  And not "Bad Service" I'll tell that person anything on my mind.  But then again. I tip 25 to 30 so every damn place I eat at I get the best service ever..even when my server is in the weeds.</p>
<p>And all you customers need to learn how to be good customers.  You all are Baby Dicks about everything.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:57Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17015718</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kaosian on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kaosian</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough waiter's/waitress' only have to report 8% of their tips for tax purposes.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:49Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17015259</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kaosian on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kaosian</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965965" rel="nofollow">orange20854</a>: I have used this int he past and I will use in the future when I believe it is warranted.</p>
<p>Works only with a paper napkin: Write</p>
<p>"TIP" <br />
"In the future if you would like money for your tip please try using better customer service."</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:49Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17011145</id>
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    <title>Comment from rwalford79 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>rwalford79</name>
        <uri>http://rogeralford.wordpress.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>Both of my roommates are servers... They pretty much pay the electric and cable on their checks, and pay car payments, insurance, gas, housing, food, and entertainment on their tips. Sure on a bad day they make $50 a day AFTER paying out people, and on a good day between $130-$400.... But, while they tip a MINIMUM of 15% usually, an average of %18-%19, even they say that tipping IS OPTIONAL, and unless the service is terrible, a little something should be standard.</p><br />
<p>I however see it completely as optional. If I cant pay a tip, I dont go out to eat. People ARE serving me, and I want to leave them something for doing so. I however do not feel obligated to do so. Even more so is that if its terrible, I let them know "Yes Ill need change" and leave just the "change" aka pennies, dimes, etc on the table and let them know the appreciation of their service is reflected in their gratuity.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:48Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17007933</id>
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    <title>Comment from anduin1 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>anduin1</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967699" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>: <br />
totally agree with you here, they're tampering with something they really have no right to tamper with. All these minimums and 20% "gratuity" if the table has a certain number of people is total horseshit. I've gone to work related parties at restaurants where luckily the boss realized this travesty and had us split into groups of 5 to avoid that nonsense and then only tip what we felt the server deserved, we ended up tipping more than 20% but we decided that ourselves, not a business telling us that's how its going to be.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:47Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17007338</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16997016" rel="nofollow">bravohotel01</a>: Please. You act as if I said that fucking .10 wings is their only business. The kill it every night. And no one complains about the restrictions, because customers know it is fair, and we live in NY where things like this are the norm.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:46Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17006660</id>
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    <title>Comment from ScarletJew72 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ScarletJew72</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16979855" rel="nofollow">amuro98</a>: Mr. amuro, you have obviously never worked as a server and never had the experience of receiving a horrible tip after working your ass off to give the party great service. Bigger parties require a greater amount of work, especially if you have a nearly or completely full section.</p>
<p>More people = More time<br />
More time = Less time allotted per person<br />
Less time allotted per person = A very busy server</p>
<p>Gratuity is added so the party cannot cheap out and the server gets the tip they deserve (so as long as they give good service). And if gratuity is added on a check, the party is required to pay. And if they do not pay the gratuity, they can be charged. Automatic gratuity does mean required fee and there generally is no confusion concerning the meaning.</p>
<p>So yes, it is completely fair to charge someone 18% more simply because they're part of a large group. Also, keep in mind a server deserving of a 20% or more tip could get screwed by gratuity by way of the party simply paying the gratuity that is required and no more.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:46Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17006213</id>
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    <title>Comment from dkmurphys88 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>dkmurphys88</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>the one thing that bugs me if you have every worked in resturant and had to handle complaints when someone says they waited for over an hour its usually not the case . its usally only an hour also i agree with some of the people on here they should had talked with manager.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:45Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17005208</id>
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    <title>Comment from maruawe42 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>maruawe42</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but I thought the term gratuity meant " in gratitude' .  Also this is not part of a restaurant bill legally  . When eating out  (my family and I) we pay a tip or gratuity for good service from the staff , if the service is not good the gratuity is proportionate to the service given. In some cases I have failed to leave a tip or gratuity..at all .    Service is service  not an excuse for the restaurant  to charge more for your patronage ................</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:45Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17005141</id>
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    <title>Comment from jamar0303 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jamar0303</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16979718" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: Apparently because you all but force them to... Where I am I can get wings that cheap without restrictions.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:45Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17003617</id>
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    <title>Comment from matt314159 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>matt314159</name>
        <uri>http://www.euphoricarythmia.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.euphoricarythmia.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965984" rel="nofollow">RandomHookup</a>: Based on my experience as a recent college grad (well, '05, I guess I'm getting on in years now), in school we were typically excellent tippers.  Because it was often we who were manning those kinds of posts ourselves when we weren't studying.  My buddy delivered pizzas and he said the best tips were from college students, and the worst, were from old folks who lived in rich-looking homes.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:44Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17003614</id>
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    <title>Comment from Telekinesis123 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Telekinesis123</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16977971" rel="nofollow">DoubleEcho</a>: Very interesting, thank you.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:44Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:17003470</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from Dinhilion on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dinhilion</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16981822" rel="nofollow">FaustianSlip</a>: @<a href="#c16981822" rel="nofollow">FaustianSlip</a>: @<a href="#c16981822" rel="nofollow">FaustianSlip</a>: @<a href="#c16968268" rel="nofollow">u1itn0w2day</a>: @<a href="#c16968268" rel="nofollow">u1itn0w2day</a>: I have no issue with this.  It is not an expectation but if you have the spare change and want to toss it in you can. It is obviously optional.  I don't see what the issue is.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:44Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16997269</id>
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    <title>Comment from bravohotel01 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bravohotel01</name>
        <uri>http://masterdev.dyndns.dk/drslog</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>You can see the couple in this video:<a></a></p>_embedded]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16997144</id>
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    <title>Comment from bravohotel01 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bravohotel01</name>
        <uri>http://masterdev.dyndns.dk/drslog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969886" rel="nofollow">petermv</a>: Eating out in Europe is a vastly different enterprise than in the States. It took a bit of getting used to when I went to Rome; basically the idea was to take several *hours* to eat a meal. Flagging down a waiter to pay the bill, actually getting the bill and finally getting the change typically took about 30-45 minutes.</p>
<p>It was nice once we got the hang of it. Meals became an event, not a task to shovel stuff in our pieholes.</p>
<p>Coming back to the states was a bit of a letdown (not to mention having to eat the local crappy, slimy pasta---compared to the heavenly gnocchi one can get in Rome...)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16997016</id>
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    <title>Comment from bravohotel01 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bravohotel01</name>
        <uri>http://masterdev.dyndns.dk/drslog</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: Um, if the restaurant can't figure out how to price their loss-leader food so they actually make a profit, then it is up to them to either:</p>
<p>a) Figure out how to get people to buy the usual 'overpriced' items once the loss-leaders get them in the door, or</p>
<p>b) Eliminate the loss-leaders and chalk the whole thing up to "setting prices is haaaaaarrrd"</p>
<p>c) Making up some ridiculous rules like the customers have to order at least 10 wings and two sodas, even if they don't want that many.</p>
<p>Since they picked "c", that will work until they get a competitor that knows how to do "a" and puts them out of business.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16994716</id>
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    <title>Comment from windycity on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>windycity</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16990561" rel="nofollow">billy</a>: To make people believe it is an obligation or requirement so that they then pay an 18% gratuity (or in this case, a 22% gratuity - can't make the math work with the numbers they give) without question when in fact that gratuity is an option. Also, to ensure that large parties don't short the server who does give good service. Bottom line - does the restaurant want me to pay it? Yes. Do I have to pay it? No.</p><br />
<p>Most people see language like that and assume they have to pay. That is what the restaurant is counting on.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16993659</id>
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    <title>Comment from Archangelo on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Archangelo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lawsuit.</p>
<p>And IRS audit.</p>
<p>The "added" gratuity on large parties is a "service fee" and is reportable as income to the establishment.  The IRS should descend on these fiends like a pack of wolves and audit them and all of their employees for the past five years.  That will teach those morons.</p>
<p>The students should also sue the police and the town for false arrest.  It is clearly a private contract (civil) matter rather than theft of services (criminal), and the evidence of this is the fact that the proprietor offered to negotiate the fees when the customers expressed dissatisfaction.  It may be a present sale under the UCC, but even that can be rescinded (abrogated) by the conduct of the parties.  The police violated clearly established Constitutional principles (the right to form a private contract) and will be liable in tort when this heads to court.  I'm willing to bet that corporation counsel had a freakin' coronary when he heard what happened the next day.</p>
<p>With a smart lawyer, the students will go into the restaurant business on the former site of the Lehigh Pub.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:41Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16993021</id>
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    <title>Comment from stlbud on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>stlbud</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>The whole reason restaurants have mandatory tipping is because they refuse to pay their servers for the work they do. They fully expect you to subsidize their payroll.</p><br />
<p>Bill B.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:41Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16992612</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that this couldn't possibly be a criminal matter.  It certainly is.</p>
<p>Pennsylvania Code</p>
<p>§ 3926.  Theft of services.<br />
        (a)  Acquisition of services.--<br />
(4)  Where compensation for service is ordinarily paid immediately upon the rendering of such service, as in the case of hotels and restaurants, refusal to pay or absconding without payment or offer to pay gives rise to a presumption that the service was obtained by deception as to intention to pay.</p>
<p>(c)  Grading.--<br />
(1)  An offense under this section constitutes a summary offense when the value of the services obtained or diverted is less than $50.</p>
<p>Note: this doesn't get to the actual merits of the case.  But it's not like this situation wasn't contemplated by the legislature as being a criminal offense.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:41Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16992080</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16991743" rel="nofollow">billy</a>: I probably should also say that the students breached by not paying what they agreed to pay.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16991743</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16989949" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: I completely agree that this should (or could) be viewed as a contract.</p>
<p>The question is, "what does that line mean?"  I understand that you believe that "gratuity" means "no obligation" but there's just no way to interpret it that way in the context of what's on the menu.  It's common sense that it means that "if you and 5 or more of your friends are eating here, we're tacking on a mandatory charge."  Again, if it didn't mean that, why did the restaurant feel the need to put it there?</p>
<p>It's not a false ad: they told the customers that they were adding the charge and they did it.</p>
<p>It might be a breach of contract.  But before I get into that, it can only be a breach of contract if we understand the contract to be "in exchange for food and service, you will be charged an 18% fee for service on top of your food charge."  This is an entirely different argument than what you said before: that any mention of the word "gratuity" simply means that it's optional.  In order for it to be a breach, it can't be optional.</p>
<p>The breach happens when the restaurant doesn't fulfill their end of the bargain: service.  Technically, only a court can determine if there was breach.  The students shouldn't have just left without paying what they've agreed to pay by staying there, ordering, and eating.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;it's a reach but filing a criminal complaint for failure to pay a tip is even a greater reach IMHO.</p>
<p>These facts seem to fit a theft of service charge.  Calling the cops is a bit overboard, but it's certainly available to a restaurant when something like this happens.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Cops don't know the law</p>
<p>You're telling me that a cop doesn't know what theft of service is?  For that matter, you're telling me that there is no such charge that's applicable here?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;there could easily have been an anti-student bias at work here.</p>
<p>Or not.  Where are you getting this from?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16990561</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16974233" rel="nofollow">windycity</a>: &gt;&gt;&gt;To my way of thinking, that makes it a gratuity, which I am not mandated to pay.</p>
<p>Then why do you think it's on the menu?  What could possibly be the reason for them adding that line to the menu?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16990279</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968171" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: &gt;&gt;&gt;A contract can be negotiated though.</p>
<p>Contracts "can" be negotiated, but only if a party wants to get into contract negotiations.  The restaurant doesn't need to accept any offers.  Besides, if you want to get down into it, the line about the gratuity is, at best, an offer or, maybe, a request for offers (as advertising can sometimes be construed).</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;it's not vandalism or destruction of property to write in it</p>
<p>I hope your joking.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16990250</id>
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    <title>Comment from Sudonum on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Sudonum</name>
        <uri>http://n/a</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16975144" rel="nofollow">brandymb</a>: went to a TGIF in St. Louis with a couple of employees, didn't notice the sign that said "18% gratuity automatically added to parties of 6 or more or totals of $75 or higher" Of course after several rounds, appetizers, and meals, I get the bill and notice the "auto grat" on it. Now I typically tip 20% for good service, I questioned the server, and she was apologetic about it. I told her that I hoped TGIF's policy was working to her advantage because she just lost 2% on my tip.</p>
<p>And yes I realize there are people who say I shouldn't have screwed the waitress for the restaurants policy, but she is also the one benefiting from the policy in cases where people might only tip 15%. If she feels she's getting screwed by their policy then find another place to work, or talk to management about changing it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from H3ion on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>H3ion</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16989342" rel="nofollow">billy</a>: It's a reach, but I would argue that the menu constituted an ad or even a contract between the restaurant and the patron.  The prices in the menu are binding on both.  If the gratuity is couched as a gratuity, the definition of which is a voluntary not a mandatory payment, then there is no obligation to pay it and if the restaurant jacks up its prices by 18%, I would argue that's a false ad, or a breach of contract.  Either way, it's a reach but filing a criminal complaint for failure to pay a tip is even a greater reach IMHO.  Cops don't know the law and there could easily have been an anti-student bias at work here.</p>
<p>On the other point, the menus, at least in a lot of the restaurants I've eaten in, have something on the menu indicating that a gratuity will be added for groups of X or more.  First of all, that screws the waiter who would normally receive a 20% or greater tip.  Second, it is clear that it is being calculated for convenience (whose I'm not sure) and is still a gratuity, not a mandatory service charge as is typical in Europe.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989826</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ananelle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ananelle</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16973015" rel="nofollow">NatalieErin</a>: Something along the lines of they're not giving us fair wage if we don't make the actual state minimum. We're not really allowed to go into overtime either, I don't know any corporate serving job that allows you to, actually. You are allowed to once a month, and if it happens again, fired.</p>
<p>There's a lotta shit people don't know about the service industry, which is why I get so passionate during these "waitress/tips/suckage" articles.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989770</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16984915" rel="nofollow">dkmurphys88</a>: Go look up the definition of gratuity in the dictionary (or dictionary site) of your choice.  A tip is indeed expected, but it is never demanded.  On the other side of the matter, the customer also expects good service.  If the service is bad (or nonexistent) then the tip should match.<br />
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If the server can't provide even adequate, let alone good, service to a large party, then the restaurant needs to either fire that server, or assign a different server who can do their job.  Anything else is arguably theft on the part of the restaurant, for charging for something they never provided.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989696</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968694" rel="nofollow">mralmostpopular</a>: &gt;&gt;&gt;Since this is not only the official definition, but how we socially understand it, when it's put in writing, then it's generally legally binding.</p>
<p>I completely disagree.  "gratuity" by itself might mean what you mean, but we socially understand that "18 percent gratuity added to check of parties of 6 of more" means that 18% of your bill will be added if you're in a party of 6 or more.  If it meant "gratuity" the way you think about it, there would be no reason to explain it in the restaurant's terms.  They might as well just apply the gratuity to any number.  After all, if it's just optional in any situation, why print it there?</p>
<p>Besides, industry definitions and common sense (see above) factor in as much as any dictionary definition does: you can't just ignore those factors.  A judge shouldn't either.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:39Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989577</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16977285" rel="nofollow">xkevin108x</a>: If you eat the food then leave, it's theft, which varies between a misdemeanor and a felony, depending on local laws and the amount of the bill.  It's commonly referred to as Dine &amp; Dash.<br />
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I will agree that if you order food, and an hour later not even the salad has arrived, walking out is just good sense.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989514</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16977076" rel="nofollow">LeChiffre</a>: People often confuse an arrest with criminal charges.  While arrest can lead to charges, you can also be charged without an arrest.  The two are not the same thing at all.<br />
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A cop can arrest you for absolutely anything.  If he dislikes your mustache, if he declares stopping to wait for a crosswalk to be loitering, if he doesn't like your t-shirt.  You get to go to the station in handcuffs.  As long as the cop enters a plausible reason for the arrest in his report, it will probably stand.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989365</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16976788" rel="nofollow">smokinfoo</a>: Leaving without tipping is one thing.  Leaving without paying any bill at all is commonly referred to as Dine &amp; Dash, and is a real crime.  While arresting someone for not giving a gratuity is absurd, arresting someone for real theft is not.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989342</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966558" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: &gt;&gt;&gt;Had the group been five people, there would have been no issue.</p>
<p>Well, yeah, but that's not what happened here.  There were 6.  They agreed to the charge when they proceeded to eat: it's a condition of eating at the restaurant.  Arguing that the gratuity doesn't apply when only 5 people eat there is simply not applicable here.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;At the same time, I wonder whether the students couldn't file a criminal complaint against the restaurant for fraudulent advertising.</p>
<p>What was the fraudulent ad?</p>]]>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989280</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16976262" rel="nofollow">razz4901</a>: So if you were to carry some correction tape, and white out the line in the menu contract, order food, hand the (closed) menu to the waitress, and receive food, does that mean that the restaurant agreed to waive the added charge?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16989085</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972830" rel="nofollow">Areyouagoodlittleconsumer</a>: You fail at understanding the first amendment.<br />
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A restaurant cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights, since a restaurant lacks the authority to compel obedience (when was the last time dine &amp; dash resulted in riot-armored cops and tear gas, right there in the restaurant?)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988952</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968340" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: When the elements of breach of contract (a civil matter) also happen to be the elements of a theft of services, it turns into a criminal matter.</p>
<p>Lots of events can trigger civil and criminal matters.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988869</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971433" rel="nofollow">justsomeotherguy</a>: It's not quite the same as the Streisand Effect, but the end results are practically identical.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988814</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16974428" rel="nofollow">Rectilinear Propagation</a>: Agreed.  I almost always know (at least roughly) what my final bill will be before I walk in the door of the restaurant.  I budget a 15% tip for the high end of the possible bill range.  That's just the cost of dining out.<br />
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But there is an expectation of good service in exchange for that tip.  Crappy service results in crappy or no tip from me (depending on how crappy the service is).  I tip 5% each for good attentiveness, polite professionalism and/or genuine friendliness, and prompt service.  I make allowances for when the restaurant is completely slammed, but if I'm the only one there, there is NO excuse for never seeing a server.<br />
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If the server blows all three categories, I have no problem leaving a $0.02 tip, complete with a note on the bill as to why.  The $0.02 has a symbolic value, and informs the server that the low tip was deliberate, rather than me forgetting to tip at all.  And hopefully, they learn something from it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988560</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
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    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971311" rel="nofollow">GreatWhiteNorth</a>: Amen.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988530</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971013" rel="nofollow">Hobz</a>: Because restaurant bills are taxed (restaurant tax, sales tax, etc, depending on local laws) and tips are not.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988431</id>
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    <title>Comment from coren on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>coren</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16984915" rel="nofollow">dkmurphys88</a>: While I do agree in principle, many places that have such policies also have significant wait times - I've already driven 10-20 minutes to get to the place and waited at least that long to be seated...I'm not saying this causes me to have no choice but to eat there, but at the same time it hardly makes it convenient to up and leave either.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16988134</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966721" rel="nofollow">gollerpr</a>: Bills are generally subject to restaurant tax.  Tips generally are not.  If the tip is part of the bill and must be paid, it would probably have the effect of making the tip taxable.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:37Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16987739</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16979855" rel="nofollow">amuro98</a>: A fee, if levied by the restaurant (rather than a government agency) is part of the bill, and thus, subject to restaurant or sales tax (depending on the exact local laws).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:37Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16986251</id>
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    <title>Comment from kexline on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>kexline</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>:  I take the state of the business into account when deciding whether to acknowledge that line.  For example,  I leave about a dollar per plate (and try to remember not to use credit) for takeout from a neighborhood place that I know is struggling.  If the restaurant is not getting enough business, then neither are the servers.  I would hold back if they were rude or somehow managed to serve me a fail-and-tofu curry, but they never do.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:35Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16985781</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16977971" rel="nofollow">DoubleEcho</a>: You're assuming that the law in Lake George, NY is the same as in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:35Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16985724</id>
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    <title>Comment from kexline on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>kexline</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16973928" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>:   I waited tables at a crappy home-cookin' restaurant as a kid.  If you drew a sleepy afternoon shift in that kind of environment and managed to lose a $20 bill sometime during the shift, it was entirely possible to make good tips all afternoon and still wind up paying for the privilege of working there.  Madness.</p>
<p>And that was back when $2.13/hour was half of minimum wage!  Now it's not even that, it's just an arbitrary number of pennies you get so that they can keep track of you in the HR system.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:35Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16985557</id>
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    <title>Comment from Caveat on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Caveat</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>The merit of the arrest rests on the line "18 percent gratuity added to check of parties of 6 of more" which shows up on the menu and on the receipt. First, there is no indication that the accused saw or read the line on the menu. As far as the receipt, that is presented after the fact of ordering and consuption and has no legal basis.<br /><br />A gratuity is defined as "an award (as for meritorious service) given without claim or obligation". Therefore the students were under no obligation to pay it.<br /><br />Also the statement says that the 18% will be added to the check but it say NOTHING about it being mandatory to pay it. They could have just as well added free dessert or whatever.</p><br />
<p>A complaint should be filed against the police for false arrest. This is clearly a civil issue, not a criminal one. If the DA does not drop the case before the trial date, the Obama's comment in Penn. about "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them " rings true.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:35Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16985424</id>
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    <title>Comment from asten77 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>asten77</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16975500" rel="nofollow">statgrad</a>: I do, it's called "my income and property taxes" ;)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:34Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984975</id>
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    <title>Comment from bdgbill on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bdgbill</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: What are you smoking? "Why should the waiter bother coming by to check on your drinks if they aren't getting paid based on performance? "</p><br />
<p>Ummm.. Maybe for the same reason I do my job ..BECAUSE ITS YOUR JOB.</p><br />
<p>If I have to eat a meal with nothing to drink, not only may I stiff you on the tip but I will never come back and will likely tell everyone I know about the crappy experience i had at your restaurant.</p><br />
<p>I get decent customer service from lots of businesses without paying for it separately in cash.</p><br />
<p>Waiters and waitresses all seem to think there is some great art in taking an order, accurately communicating that order to the kitchen and carrying the order back to the table.</p><br />
<p>The whole idea of tipping has been perverted out of all reason by the industry. One of the biggest problems is tip sharing, where all tips are combined and doled out equally to all the servers. This undermines the entire idea of tipping for good service.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:34Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984915</id>
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    <title>Comment from dkmurphys88 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>dkmurphys88</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>I don't get this if you go to a restaurant and when you get there the menu says if over 6 or more tip is on the check and you don't agree with this then don't eat there . in america tipping is expected if you don't like to tip or you don't have the money to THEN EAT AT HOME!!!!</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:34Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984854</id>
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    <title>Comment from j-mo on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>j-mo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968356" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: The business still has to pay payroll taxes on the tips the employees receive.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:34Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16984723</id>
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    <title>Comment from mmrohm on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mmrohm</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>If the police in this town is arresting people over $16.35 then either this is the most crime free town in the world or I believe my city is wasting my tax dollars and they should be after real criminals. I do believe that the students should've asked to speak to the management before not paying. It does irk me that you can get charged for services not rendered, but it was posted. There are adult channels to take though before refusing to pay. It sounds like the server should also be in another field if she can't do her job and I would definitely spread the word about this pub.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:34Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16983087</id>
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    <title>Comment from billy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>billy</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't see a problem the way this is worded.  They list a service for a price.  If you don't want that service, don't eat at that restaurant.  If you take the service, pay the price.  If service wasn't rendered (as they seem to argue here) negotiate it out with the manager (this would be the same situation as if you ordered a sandwich and didn't get what you ordered).  The article doesn't mention if any attempt at renegotiation was ever attempted.  If you don't get satisfaction, the extreme remedy would be court.</p>
<p>All of the above argument is contracts 101.  Most likely, though, you would just report it to the news and never eat there again (which is what happened here).</p>
<p>As a strictly legal matter, I don't think that dictionary definition is enough to sway anybody.  If I remember my contracts class correctly, common sense and industry standards should be considered as well.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:32Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16982851</id>
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    <title>Comment from Techguy1138 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Techguy1138</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: <br />
When I was in Japan. Food was cheap and plentiful the wait staff, bell hop, etc were all super helpful. There was no tipping there.</p>
<p>You are just full of crap. Same argument as to why execs NEED their uber bonuses. Pay a fair wage, give a bonus (tip) when appropriate and business will still exist.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:32Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16981822</id>
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    <title>Comment from FaustianSlip on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>FaustianSlip</name>
        <uri>http://www.faustianslip.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966625" rel="nofollow">Atheist Jew</a>: When I lived over there, a group of friends and I told a waiter to keep the change from our bill, then basically sprinted out of the restaurant to avoid him giving it back. They probably divvied it up amongst the entire staff- one yen for everybody!</p>
<p>I agree that not having to worry about tipping is much more pleasant, though.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:32Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16980872</id>
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    <title>Comment from YardanCabaret on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>YardanCabaret</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972909" rel="nofollow">Scoobatz</a>: I wondered that as well.  Not only did they get arrested for not paying a voluntary payment they were charged 4% more than they should've been.  I think all the 6+ groups that have eaten there over it's entire operational life should sue the place for those 4% that they've been stealing.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:31Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16980170</id>
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    <title>Comment from amuro98 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>amuro98</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968474" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: <i>Seriously, the time to complain about bad service is while it's happening, to the manager. It seems a bit disengenuous to go thru all that waiting, drinking and dining, and then decide the service was too bad to tip.</i></p>
<p>Another article I read on this said they did try to talk to the manager, who had agreed to comp some of the food, but then the bill didn't reflect it.</p>
<p>I imagine at that point, they were pretty fed up with the whole mess, and just wanted to leave.</p>
<p>And yes, in this case the menu said "required gratuity" and not "service fee."  I think the case will get thrown out of court, and personally I wish judges had the ability to slap idiots who waste the court's time on things like this.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979990</id>
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    <title>Comment from Brontide on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Brontide</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965628" rel="nofollow">Elcheecho</a>: New York has had two cases that I know of, both times the restaurant has had to back down because they used the improper language on the menu and bill.</p>
<p>NYS has basically said that a Gratuity can not be mandatory unless there is a signed contract involved.  A service fee can be demanded based on menu disclaimer, but not a gratuity.  Mandatory gratuity is a contradiction in terms no matter how you slice it.</p>
<p>In the first case the restaurant settled out-of-court after the person countersued for libel and false arrest with a 10k donation to a charity.  In the other a public apology was given.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979855</id>
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    <title>Comment from amuro98 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>amuro98</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965542" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: Well, a lot of places will tack on an automatic gratuity of 18% for large groups.</p>
<p>The question is...are you required to pay this automatic gratuity?</p>
<p>I can't see this standing up in court, and frankly I hope the students at least take the restaurant to small claims court to recover the time and money they're going to spend defending themselves from a baseless case.</p>
<p>However will this now mean that restaurants will simply change the wording from "automatic gratuity" to "required fee" or something similar?  Is it still fair to charge someone 18% more simply because they're part of a large group?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979718</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16979460" rel="nofollow">SkuldChan</a>: They do, except for during Sundays, Mondays &amp; weds. packsd the bar and keeps people drinking.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979645</id>
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    <title>Comment from RalphyNader on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RalphyNader</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>This is a delicate situation in the restaurant world. So many tables will stiff a server on "accident" when you have a big table and the check gets split. (Restaurant people know exactly what I'm talking about.) However, the mandatory tip on large parties is to ensure GOOD service. If a server has a large table they most likely doen't have many other tables, hence no very many opportunities for income (tips). All of a sudden servers don't want to take large parties or only greedy servers that spread themselves too thin.</p><br />
<p>I know it seems rediculous to people who haven't worked in the restaurant industry, but with turnover being so high, it is actually a good solution to a weird problem.</p><br />
<p>I agree with the students for not leaving a tip. Although, I would have liked to have them address the management instead of just leaving the total for the bill.</p><br />
<p>I am wondering though....how did the cops get there so fast? And why do cops care about this sort of thing?</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979474</id>
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    <title>Comment from DoubleEcho on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DoubleEcho</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16974660" rel="nofollow">amberlink</a>: I thnk you're looking for this one - a Yelp commenter posted it.</p><br />
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/nyregion/15tipper.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">[www.nytimes.com]</a></p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979460</id>
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    <title>Comment from SkuldChan on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>SkuldChan</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: I really have to ask - why not sell these "wings" for the proper amount?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:30Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979324</id>
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    <title>Comment from jc364 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jc364</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: "Why should the waiter bother coming by to check on your drinks if they aren't getting paid based on performance?"</p>
<p>If waiters/waitresses are crappy at their job, they would get fired. Just like any other job.</p>
<p>We ALL get paid based on performance.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16979154</id>
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    <title>Comment from gerrycomo on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gerrycomo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The students were tipped to the police.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16978967</id>
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    <title>Comment from floraposte on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>floraposte</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972081" rel="nofollow">MrMan09</a>: Whoa, so that's how the service charge got so high--they tried to charge them above the stated percentage?</p>
<p>Not a lot of sympathy for the bar here.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16978736</id>
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    <title>Comment from drizzt380 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>drizzt380</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16975448" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: <br />
Your right, dol.gov has one section that says tipped employees must retain all tips.  But more digging into weird pages does bring up <a href="http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.pdf" rel="nofollow">[www.dol.gov]</a> which has a true explanation.</p>
<p>Of course, it does still say that only tips that don't count toward the tip credit can be pooled.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16978629</id>
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    <title>Comment from floraposte on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>floraposte</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16975646" rel="nofollow">windycity</a>: I'm getting stuck on the math as well.  That's well over 20% for the tip on $73.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16978581</id>
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    <title>Comment from waltja26 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>waltja26</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967699" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>:</p>
<p>well said ludwigk.  Sightly off-topic but might I add that if the servers do not like the decisions the business is making, they are free to be a server for another business.  This is the nature of at-will employment.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:29Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16977971</id>
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    <title>Comment from DoubleEcho on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DoubleEcho</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965673" rel="nofollow">Telekinesis123</a>: A commenter on Yelp brought up a point - there's already legal precedent that they did not break any laws:</p><br />
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/nyregion/15tipper.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">[www.nytimes.com]</a></p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:28Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16977610</id>
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    <title>Comment from DangerMouth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DangerMouth</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972795" rel="nofollow">The Porkchop Express</a>: ah, gotcha.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:28Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16977285</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16977285" />
    <title>Comment from xkevin108x on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>xkevin108x</name>
        <uri>http://kevin108.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://kevin108.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I guess this means that if you get lousy service, not only should you not leave a tip but that you should also walk out on the bill entirely.  I would have left within the first hour when the food didn't show up.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:28Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16977076</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16977076" />
    <title>Comment from LeChiffre on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LeChiffre</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>It looks to me as though the management took advantage of "college students". If it were someone my age, maybe they would have been more open-minded and would have known better than to call the cops. In fact, I would have encouraged them to call the cops because this is BS. There has to be more to this story because you cannot get arrested for not tipping. That is just plain ridiculous.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:27Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976788</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16976788" />
    <title>Comment from smokinfoo on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>smokinfoo</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>leave without paying next time. just get up and walk out.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:27Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976647</id>
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    <title>Comment from Cameraman on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cameraman</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. That's outrageous.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:27Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976383</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16976383" />
    <title>Comment from Cheapskate Brill on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cheapskate Brill</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>I'd submit for a chargeback with the credit card company.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:27Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976262</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16976262" />
    <title>Comment from razz4901 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>razz4901</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>I think tipping for service should be optional. But if you go to a place that clearly states on the menu that an automatic amount is added to the bill for parties of some many then you are basically agreeing to the charge. If you order an item off the menu that is clearly priced a certain amount and you do not like it you don't usually have the option of paying less than the listed price...bottom line is we should avoid places that charge this automatic service fee....</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976225</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16976225" />
    <title>Comment from Cheapskate Brill on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Cheapskate Brill</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>When the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem goes out of business, they'll know how stupid they were. If I were the owner, the manager or whoever called police would be fired.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976141</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16976141" />
    <title>Comment from drjayphd on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>drjayphd</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16973998" rel="nofollow">Rectilinear Propagation</a>: No, the worst would be at Coldstone. They sing when they get tipped, showing that there's some expectation of it. That's worse than throwing a cup out there and seeing who puts money in.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16976100</id>
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    <title>Comment from DoctorMD on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DoctorMD</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: A great steak already costs $60</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975940</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975940" />
    <title>Comment from sqlrob on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>sqlrob</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966168" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: It's not mandatory. Comments in one of the articles refer to precedent in New York State over the same type of thing.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975646</id>
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    <title>Comment from windycity on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>windycity</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: I'm just trying to understand why only 2 people were arrested out of this party of 6. What happened to the other 4? Did 4 pay the gratuity and these 2 not pay? Did 4 leave and these 2 got stuck with the cops? Also, 18% of $73 is not $16.35. Was this just their share of the total bill? One of the stories circulating on this says that the manager offered to comp some of the meals, which makes me wonder why, if they were willing to comp some of the meals, they made an issue of 16 dollars.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975622</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975622" />
    <title>Comment from JulesNoctambule on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>JulesNoctambule</name>
        <uri>http://thesouthernreceipt.blogspot.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://thesouthernreceipt.blogspot.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16974490" rel="nofollow">AustinTXProgrammer</a>: We had a waitress do something similar one night; five of us were out eating and ran into a friend who was having a drink at their bar. He sat down for about ten minutes to chat, she added the 18% auto-'gratuity' for parties of six or more. She didn't get it, and we had a little talk with the manager. Too bad for her that she was so greedy; we usually tip 20%.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975500</id>
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    <title>Comment from statgrad on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>statgrad</name>
        <uri>http://www.statgrad.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.statgrad.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970995" rel="nofollow">NeverLetMeDown</a>: Do you pay for services you never received?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975479</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975479" />
    <title>Comment from JulesNoctambule on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>JulesNoctambule</name>
        <uri>http://thesouthernreceipt.blogspot.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://thesouthernreceipt.blogspot.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969136" rel="nofollow">coren</a>: Thank you! I was wondering why no one else seemed to have noticed that.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975448</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975448" />
    <title>Comment from DangerMouth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DangerMouth</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970043" rel="nofollow">drizzt380</a>: Illegal for the tips to be split with management, but legal, normal practice to be split among Front of House staff.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:26Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975144</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975144" />
    <title>Comment from brandymb on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>brandymb</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965235" rel="nofollow">El_Fez</a>: Leaving a dime or another small amount wouldnt have mattered in a place like this that adds 18% to the bill. Leaves you no choice but to pay it whether the service sux or not. The wife and I NEVER patronize a place with mandatory tipping. Where's the incentive for good service? We do tip 25%+ when we go out if the service is good.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975112</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975112" />
    <title>Comment from uberbitter on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>uberbitter</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>When will people learn that a businesses' policy is not the law?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16975070</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16975070" />
    <title>Comment from vladthepaler on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>vladthepaler</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>It used to be that not tipping meant the lousy waitstaff takes home a little less cash. But now, not tipping gets you arrested and gets nationwide bad publicity for the restaurant in question. Interesting how the internet has changed things.</p>
<p>Tips should never be required. The kids have got a case, I think.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974660</id>
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    <title>Comment from amberlink on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>amberlink</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This is actually old news. There's the famous case (wish I could find it) of the group of lawyers sued by a restaurant for not paying a "mandatory" gratuity. By its very word, the word gratuity means gratuitious, or at discretion of patron, there are definitions all over the place about the word and its meaning:</p>
<p>"Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation, usually in response to or in anticipation of service."</p>
<p>Then there's the website that cites the (as of yet, then) unpublished decision in CA:</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.freeadvice.com/starting-operating-business-3/adding-gratuity-check-legal-204000.html" rel="nofollow">[forum.freeadvice.com]</a></p>
<p>Just because a restaurant puts in their menu doesn't make it enforceable. Matter of fact in NY, if you protest the gratuity being added, they take it off. More people are inclined to leave more, just the slimier places think that by adding it, that some customers won't realize that a tip was already automatically added and they add MORE so instead of the "mandatory" 18% now the restaurant is getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 35%.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974606</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rectilinear Propagation on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rectilinear Propagation</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16973820" rel="nofollow">bentcorner</a>: Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974490</id>
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    <title>Comment from AustinTXProgrammer on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>AustinTXProgrammer</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I went to a local burger place with my 2 kids (baby and 4yr old), 2 other adults and my wife.  They counted the baby whom we ordered NOTHING (its a burger place, he wasn't eating solid food) and added mandatory gratuity.</p>
<p>I usually tip 18-20%, but he got his 15% and that was it.  I left a note that he shortchanged himself.  When we have the little one we tend to create more of a mess, so I have often gone to 25% to make up for it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974435</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968885" rel="nofollow">Ptath</a>: Well said.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974428</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rectilinear Propagation on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rectilinear Propagation</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><i>First and foremost, if you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out.</i></p>
<p>@<a href="#c16971318" rel="nofollow">wkm001</a>: This isn't about not being able to afford to tip, this is about not wanting to tip for bad or non-existent service.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974343</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16974343" />
    <title>Comment from AustinTXProgrammer on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>AustinTXProgrammer</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972676" rel="nofollow">hypnotik_jello</a>: I think he was comparing, the two systems.  In Japan they pay and expect good service, no tips.  Here we have a system that doesn't work anymore.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974233</id>
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    <title>Comment from windycity on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>windycity</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966727" rel="nofollow">Michael Belisle</a>: The restaurant is calling it "mandatory", but the menu says something different:</p><br />
<p>~The menu clearly states, "18 percent gratuity added to check of parties of 6 of more," and a similar message is printed on receipts, a pub employee said this morning.~</p><br />
<p>To my way of thinking, that makes it a gratuity, which I am not mandated to pay.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974013</id>
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    <title>Comment from bhr on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bhr</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971088" rel="nofollow">pecan 3.14159265</a>: 5 can be (and often is) a single family with one person paying. When there are 6 (or 8, depending on the place) people that is usually a mixed group.</p><br />
<p>Not to say that is always the case, but it is a majority. Restaurants have learned that 6+ groups tend to under tip (or not tip) more often then 5-groups. I worked at a place that had it at 6, but we would not include it for single family units.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16974008</id>
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    <title>Comment from sp00nix on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>sp00nix</name>
        <uri>http://www.joshwashere.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.joshwashere.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>I'll tip great if my service is great, but when they try and slip this fee on my bill i will give them what they ask for, which will be less then what i would left on the table.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973998</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rectilinear Propagation on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rectilinear Propagation</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968268" rel="nofollow">u1itn0w2day</a>: You've seen a tip cup at a gas station? OMG.</p>
<p>I think the worst I've seen is a tip jar at a Five Guys or Jimmy Johns.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973928</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968721" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: I do  *GREAT* where I work. But there are times that are inconsistent, and I wish we got paid at least the regular minimum wage like some states.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973870</id>
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    <title>Comment from bhr on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bhr</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968243" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: That is not at all true. Not one word of it. And they can probably bill you the cost of the menu that you intentionally destroyed.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973820</id>
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    <title>Comment from bentcorner on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>bentcorner</name>
        <uri>http://bentcorner.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://bentcorner.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>What I don't understand is why the cops arrested both Pope and Wagner, but not the other four people in their party.  Not that I think they should have been arrested.  I just don't understand the logic in arresting the person that paid the bill excluding the tip along with their significant other.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973804</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rectilinear Propagation on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rectilinear Propagation</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968537" rel="nofollow">Eric Jay</a>: That makes you different from some of the restaurant employees around here. This one guy makes a point of turning or moving the tip jar when you pick up a to go order.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973778</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: @<a href="#c16970995" rel="nofollow">NeverLetMeDown</a>: Just because the restaurant falsely claims that it is mandatory on a menu doesn't mean it is.  They can claim on the menu in 4 point font on the back they have a right to poison your food, that doesn't mean they do.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973748</id>
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    <title>Comment from Dyscord on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Dyscord</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: Some of my friends feel that it's mandatory for a tip if the service is good. Sometimes if it's busy they feel the need to tip. I know waiters/waitresses have low wages, but if the service is crappy, you're not getting a tip. Plain and simple.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973659</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967699" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>: What a crazy, cheap-ass nerdy response. Like I said below, it has been this way for years and it works. The only people who complain are the people like you, who probably have NO loyalty to any particular restaurant or business, who just go for the cheapest price for everything.</p>
<p>I don't know where you live, but where I live, we make damn sure to tip the people working at bars and restaurants because we fucking know that that's where their wage is coming from, instead of not tipping and taking out our frustrations on the industry on them.</p>
<p>And businesses do not DESERVE abuse, because their promotions were not well though out or due to printing errors etc. Ok, so lets call it what it is:<br />
a drink minimum (which is what I called it in my post)<br />
A Service charge( fine you are getting service by the waitress, and it is automatically charged).<br />
What are you gonna do about it? Not come in? DONT. Do us all a favor.</p>
<p>I know that was poorly written, I just woke up.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973642</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Cynical Librarian on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Cynical Librarian</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969978" rel="nofollow">petermv</a>: I'm with this guy. Seriously. The only reason the scenario that's been put forth by Rvleshrac would ever really happen is because of greed on the part of owners seeing an easy way to make a quick buck.<br />
Yes, strike fear with the idea that MILLIONS would be homeless and jobless. Obviously, as stated above, this is how it happens in another part of the world....like the U.K.?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973623</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970781" rel="nofollow">madtube</a>: i would have replied that my dog has a policy of biting service employees that rip me off, and to take off 33% of your flesh.  Have a nice day!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973550</id>
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    <title>Comment from ludwigk on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ludwigk</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969448" rel="nofollow">Powerlurker</a>: I know, but even after reading the article, I was struggling to find *any reason* for the restaurant to have any recourse at all. *Other people* don't know that you don't call the cops for a contract dispute, and that could, in this case, include the cops.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973537</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16973537" />
    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966099" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: @<a href="#c16966099" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: @<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: No cashier deserves a tip as a routine course of things.  Accepting payment for food is not a "service".  And they should be friendly to you anyway.</p>
<p>If it's a buffet place, if they are just handling plates and your drinks, yes tip is warranted, but only maybe about 5% at the most.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973489</id>
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    <title>Comment from Rectilinear Propagation on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Rectilinear Propagation</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><i>it sounds like a hidden fee &amp; not a tip</i></p>
<p>@<a href="#c16965954" rel="nofollow">statgrad</a>: Exactly. If it's required then it IS a fee.</p>
<p>@<a href="#c16968017" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: MTE</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973480</id>
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    <title>Comment from stuffedcrust on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>stuffedcrust</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>At my restaurant and others I know, the grat. will be taken off the ticket if the customer complains about it. At mine it is added for parties of eight or more. I did work with someone who didn't try as hard on big tops like those.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:25Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973288</id>
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    <title>Comment from NatalieErin on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>NatalieErin</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: When I get take out food I usually just round up, unless the bill comes to $xx.85 or something, in which case I'll toss in an extra buck.</p><br />
<p>I go to a lot of the same places to get takeout, and none of the employees appear to hate me, so I assume this is standard practice. My friends that have done their coffee shop time seem to think tossing the change in the tip jar is fine, unless someone has ordered a half dozen specialty drinks. At that point, they would like to be tipped like bartenders.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973272</id>
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    <title>Comment from ahleeeshah on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ahleeeshah</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In college, a group of five of my friends and I went to a local Greek restaurant. None of us were unruly or rude or asked for anything special, and the automatic gratuity was only on parties of eight or more. During the entire night we received horrible service. No drinks refilled, wrong orders given, rude waiters, and when we asked for our check, they brought out one overcharging us by about $40 first. Once they fixed that, they refused to split the check for us (they had done it before), so one person had to pay for it all.</p>
<p>As we were all college students, we were not very well off, and this meant that the person paying did not have a lot of money to leave for a tip. They left what they could, and we didn't really care that it wasn't a lot because of the amazingly poor service (I usually tip at least 20%, for the record). We were then chased out of the restaurant by the owner and told never to come back.</p>
<p>Good times!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973229</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966462" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: I had a showdown with a mega bitch waitress at Olive Garden one time.  Throughout the meal she had been slamming plates (and splashing food) on our table and other people's, and SCREAMING across our faces at waitstaff on the other side of the restaurant.</p>
<p>So I INSISTED with friends on paying the tab myself and not paying her a tip.</p>
<p>She bolted over to our table at the top of her lungs and said "SIR, I think you have miscalculated your tab!" and I replied, smiling "well, if you would like to bring me a calculator I will add it up right in front of you..." :)</p>
<p>I wasn't done with her - I asked for the manager on the way out, and LOUDLY listed out from A to Z so the whole restaurant could hear how she ruined our meal and we wouldn't be back...</p>
<p>A spy let me know she wasn't working there any more the next day.</p>
<p>Don't mess with paying customers you are supposed to serve who pay your salary.</p>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973189</id>
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    <title>Comment from Persistence on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Persistence</name>
        <uri>http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971169" rel="nofollow">David in Brasil</a>: That depends on the restaurant.  Any restaurant that doesn't require reservations likely does not tip it's kitchen staff.  As a cook for 5 years, it made me very resentful of wait staff.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973179</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972471" rel="nofollow">Persistence</a>: "If you're not willing to risk that someone is going to drink only water and only purchase a handful of wings, you shouldn't offer the discounted wings."<br />
I is a private business and they can risk or hedge their bets any whic way they want.</p>
<p>"When you start adding restrictions and requirements on the discounted purchase, it gets awfully close to false advertising in my mind."<br />
Everyone that walks thru that door knows before hand about the restrictions, it is written on all advertisements. No false advertising.</p>
<p>Give me a break.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973088</id>
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    <title>Comment from Persistence on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Persistence</name>
        <uri>http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969886" rel="nofollow">petermv</a>: You just made my day.  Thanks!</p>
<p>I loved the UK when I was there.  I learned to appreciate everything having a price as advertised in less than a week.  Tax included in price takes the guesswork out of budgeting.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973033</id>
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    <title>Comment from Persistence on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Persistence</name>
        <uri>http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: A mandatory 18% gratuity is not based on performance!  It's not like you spent $45,000 on college.  How much income do you expect to make without a degree?</p>
<p>You can tell me there's a time limit on my table, then you get NO tip, and I won't leave until I'm good and ready either.  You can call the manager and the police.  If you want a table turnaround, talk to McDonalds, that's their business.  In fact that's why they choose the colors they do inside their restaurants.</p>
<p>When I go out to eat, I'm prepared to tip for service and friendliness.  I don't care about your problems, I care about mine.  I'm going out to unwind, and being told I have a time limit to eat is not going to fly with me, anywhere.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16973015</id>
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    <title>Comment from NatalieErin on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>NatalieErin</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16970940" rel="nofollow">Ananelle</a>: Wait, how can you be fired for not making sufficient tips? That seems incredibly shady.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972990</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Porkchop Express on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Porkchop Express</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971547" rel="nofollow">LastAndLeast</a>: me too, I would think that profit and wages are already in the price. and $45 for grooming? I hope they were cutting hair, nails, shampooing, and I hate to say it....anal glands, they better be milking the gland for that. then maybe I'll tip.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972924</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972877" rel="nofollow">Areyouagoodlittleconsumer</a>: Restaurants have no right to instill a global sense of fear in all consumers that they will be arrested or they are criminals if they don't tip.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972909</id>
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    <title>Comment from Scoobatz on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Scoobatz</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966558" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: First of all, when did 18% of $73 become $16.35, as indicated in the original story? But, I digress.</p><br />
<p>I really hope these kids win their day in court and set precedence for the rest of the industry. Of course, I'm sure we'll never hear the outcome of this case.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972877</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16972830" rel="nofollow">Areyouagoodlittleconsumer</a>: The victims also have an excellent civil suit against the police for this.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972839</id>
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    <title>Comment from RedCatLinux on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RedCatLinux</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965235" rel="nofollow">El_Fez</a>: In the days before ATM cards and such were so popular I recall a night out where friends and I had to go get our own refills and extra napkins. For some reason, I even remember the bar's name: The Boys of Brooklyn.</p><br />
<p>We left a tip of coins, arranged to spell out the word "TIP" on the table.</p><br />
<p>It was really quite bad that night. We had even asked for a menager and he never appeared.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972830</id>
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    <title>Comment from That&apos;s Consumer007 to you on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>That&apos;s Consumer007 to you</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is called for here is a mass boycott / sit in attack where people order food, then leave, or sit there refusing to pay anything at all, or refusing to order.</p>
<p>On separate notes:</p>
<p>1. I am thrilled to see this place has been SLAMMED on yelp.com with hundreds of bad reviews since the story came out .</p>
<p>2. The victims need to hire the ACLU to sue this place for everything they are worth.  Their freedom of speech was violated - because that is what a tip is - your feedback, and you have a RIGHT not to leave one. Restaurants cannot legally require them.</p>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972795</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Porkchop Express on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Porkchop Express</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968356" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: not income tax, sales tax.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972793</id>
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    <title>Comment from treimel on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>treimel</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968555" rel="nofollow">db4dbms</a>:</p><br />
<p>There is no lower limit on theft charges in Pennsylvania. I have seen at least one person charged (she pleaded guilty, incidentally) for stealing two tootsie rolls.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972766</id>
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    <title>Comment from Persistence on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Persistence</name>
        <uri>http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: I don't go out to eat for "cheap food".  If I want to save money I cook at home, and no one gets a tip.  When I go to a restaurant I pay for service, ambiance, presentation, etc.  If my food is cold, includes the wrong sides, takes too long, is prepared incorrectly, that is the fault of the waitstaff, as they specify the order to the cook and should recognize when it is wrong.  If it's not right and the waitstaff does not correct it, the tip goes bye.  Sure, it costs the restaurant money, and that's the motivation to hire qualified, motivated staff members.  Don't forget that the mark-up on restaurant food is generally 70%.</p>
<p>That being said, if you can't afford a 20% tip on your meal, you shouldn't be going out to eat in the first place.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972764</id>
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    <title>Comment from Kimaroo - 100% Pure Natural Kitteh on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kimaroo - 100% Pure Natural Kitteh</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/kimmishkim</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://twitter.com/kimmishkim">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16969430" rel="nofollow">jamar0303</a>: I agree, this was not the case in Australia either (The only other country I have experience with)</p><br />
<p>The food seemed reasonably priced and the service was friendly.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972761</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Porkchop Express on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Porkchop Express</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971545" rel="nofollow">witeowl</a>: when they saw that, they may have thought there would have been service. There was no service.</p><br />
<p>It's like getting an oil change and paying full price to later find out they didn't change out the filter.</p><br />
<p>You already signed up for something and didn't get what was promised. Ok, maybe good service isn't promised but if they're adding 18%....it sure as hell is expected.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972758</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from SonicPhoenix on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>SonicPhoenix</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: Maybe the $20 steak would turn into a $60 steak if bistromathics were involved. But if wages were kept at their current level for waitstaff and tipping was eliminated, the math would seem to suggest that the cost of the iems would rise by the average tipping percentage. So the $20 steak should, in thoery, become a $23-$25 steak.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972702</id>
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    <title>Comment from shepd on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>shepd</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971911" rel="nofollow">Nogard13</a>:</p>
<p>Any lawyer worth his salt will rat the restaurant out to the IRS for putting a taxable item on the bill and not collecting taxes for it...  :^)</p>
<p>Unless, of course, services aren't taxable there.  Where I am, tips *are* taxable, both income and sales tax, although I don't know how the waiters pay the taxes (I expect they ignore the sales taxes on the tips and just pay the income tax).</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972676</id>
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    <title>Comment from hypnotik_jello on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>hypnotik_jello</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/pablohoneyNYC</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://twitter.com/pablohoneyNYC">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966625" rel="nofollow">Atheist Jew</a>: Yeah, but the wages are higher compared to American waitstaff? Can't really compare Japan to the US.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972610</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from shepd on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>shepd</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971233" rel="nofollow">pecan 3.14159265</a>:</p>
<p>If you're in customer service and one set of crappy customers (from the point of view of the server that doesn't get it) ruins your day, you're, quite simply, in the wrong job.  You deserve to spend the day fuming and tipless, so that you either have the point driven home (ie:  You suck at your job and need to get better), or get fired by the manager when he has to comp your wages.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972559</id>
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    <title>Comment from Anathema777 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Anathema777</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966082" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: <br />
"The issue here was that the restaurant assessed a mandatory 18% service charge because they had 6 people. If they decided not to pay it, it should have been left at that."</p>
<p>Yes. It should have been "left at that." It wasn't. That's why people are upset.</p>
<p>Enlighten us. What do you think "really" happened?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972553</id>
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    <title>Comment from cc82 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>cc82</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: <br />
I usually tip a couple of bucks for takeout at places I frequent.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972552</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from NatalieErin on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>NatalieErin</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16972358" rel="nofollow">Mecharine</a>: You deal with it the way you deal with poor service from retail establishments, telcos, etc - you complain to management and, if necessary, take your business elsewhere. There's no shortage of restaurants and bars, ferchrissakes.</p><br />
<p>The argument that getting rid of tipping will somehow make dining out service free holds no water with me. My former-chef boyfriend and I spent a summer living in Ireland and visited other countries while we were in the vicinity. There was just as much variation in service as you see in the states. At least there we knew that the price we were paying on the menu was close to the actual price of the meal.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972518</id>
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    <title>Comment from plim on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>plim</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971341" rel="nofollow">katia802</a>: and that right there is a "breach of contract" by the restaurant. you can't charge me for a contract if I have to go fill my own drinks.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972488</id>
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    <title>Comment from tonberry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>tonberry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: i have never seen this on a menu other than the larger than 8 in a party. but if i got a bill with an added gratuity, and was not told about this before i ordered, i would not pay it either. if i went to a place that had that, i would never have ordered, and found somewhere else to eat. you have to work for your tips, this whole generation of entitlement makes me sick. and i am only 30.</p>
<p>i tip 10 to 15% for decent service and %20 - 30% for excellent service. terrible gets pennies, but you have to be really bad for that, like the guy chatting up the clearly under age girls in the booth behind us, for a long time before getting my wife her coffee. he got a penny.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972471</id>
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    <title>Comment from Persistence on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Persistence</name>
        <uri>http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://aberrantlucidity.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: Offering 10 and 20 cent wings is a ploy to bring in customers on slow nights in the hopes that they purchase more.  If you're not willing to risk that someone is going to drink only water and only purchase a handful of wings, you shouldn't offer the discounted wings.  When you start adding restrictions and requirements on the discounted purchase, it gets awfully close to false advertising in my mind.  It's the same with a mandatory tip.  That's not the price advertised.  It's plain bait and switch.  I have no problem with charging mandatory tips on large groups (of 10 or more), but then you better have mandatory excellent service from your staff as well.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972412</id>
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    <title>Comment from Coelacanth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Coelacanth</name>
        <uri>http://lbchewie.livejournal.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16970781" rel="nofollow">madtube</a>: I'd worry about anyone who entrusts their dogs with her. I can only imagine how neglectful (or even vicious) she'd be to somebody's dog if the client didn't pay the amount she "expects" - announced or not.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972358</id>
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    <title>Comment from Mecharine on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Mecharine</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: Of course, how would you deal with terrible service? This is the case here, that the service was terrible . Are you saying that no matter the level of service, the tip should be paid?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972329</id>
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    <title>Comment from KStrike155 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>KStrike155</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965486" rel="nofollow">rpm773</a>: Hahaha there's a picture of handcuffs on the Yelp page.</p>
<p>Brilliant.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972307</id>
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    <title>Comment from chrisholland03 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>chrisholland03</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I think there's way more to this story than the 3 paragraph blurb the newspaper article provided.</p>
<p>I would have complained to the manager before I left the 'mandatory' tip off...we don't know if they did that or not.</p>
<p>Either way I won't be eating there, and me thinks the bad publicity they're getting will shut them down.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972302</id>
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    <title>Comment from Coelacanth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Coelacanth</name>
        <uri>http://lbchewie.livejournal.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://lbchewie.livejournal.com">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971545" rel="nofollow">witeowl</a>: Good luck finding places that don't automatically add on gratuity for "large" parties in many places.</p><br />
<p>The distiction between "gratuity" and "service fee" isn't trivial.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972257</id>
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    <title>Comment from duckfat on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>duckfat</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>Karma has been balanced.  If this has been on the local news then they've lost much more business than the lousy tip came to.  I'm sure the case will either be dropped or they judge will fine them the 18% and leave it at that.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972165</id>
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    <title>Comment from LadySiren on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LadySiren</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965628" rel="nofollow">Elcheecho</a>: Totally agreed. The story doesn't make it clear if they tried to resolve this with the pub's management; they should have trie to explain why they were skipping out on the "gratuity". Forcing them to pay for crappy service is wrong, IMO.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972123</id>
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    <title>Comment from LadySiren on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LadySiren</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968032" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: New Consumerist tag?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972106</id>
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    <title>Comment from whiteears37 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>whiteears37</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Gratuities are voluntary by definition<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratuity" rel="nofollow">[en.wikipedia.org]</a><br />
The local DA not be happy when he gets this one. It will never make it to court.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972100</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toffeecake on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Toffeecake</name>
        <uri>http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970940" rel="nofollow">Ananelle</a>: We usually leave around 20%, down to 10% if the service wasn't that good(my husband was a server, so he likes to tip well).</p>
<p>Actually, last time we went out, the server took my husband's meal off the bill because our food took a little longer than usual.  We didn't really notice the wait, just assumed it was because they were really busy.  Since we were planning on paying for it already, we just included the cost of the meal in her tip.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972092</id>
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    <title>Comment from LadySiren on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LadySiren</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971169" rel="nofollow">David in Brasil</a>: David, they're not pooled. Most servers do have to tip out their busboy, bartender, and sometimes, kitchen staff. Otherwise, they keep their tips themselves.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972081</id>
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    <title>Comment from MrMan09 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>MrMan09</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>"Pope and Wagner, members of a party of eight during happy hour, refused to pay a $16.35 service charge on top of their $73.87 tab because of what they say was shoddy service as well as a surcharge that was nearly 5 percent higher than the 18 percent listed on the menu."</p>
<p>Who committed "theft" here?<br />
snipped from <br />
<a href="http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/index.ssf/2009/11/no_tip_leads_to_a_police_cruis.html" rel="nofollow">[www.lehighvalleylive.com]</a></p>
<p>There also seems to be some confusion as to if there was food comped in response to complaints.</p>
<p>I wonder if they comped something in a way that it wasn't deducted from the gratuity.  If they were so busy they couldn't get a salad and some wings out in under an hour, I'm willing to bet the students looked at it and said f this and refused to pay it rather than wait for them to get their "stuff" together and fix it.</p>
<p>The fact the amount charged was more than the "posted mandatory" will destroy their case.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:24Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16972059</id>
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    <title>Comment from mattarse on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mattarse</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: <br />
Let's assume that tipping ends up with waiters getting paid well in the current system. So since that is currently part of the cost - why exactly couldn't people afford to eat out? They already pay enough for the restaurant and wait staff to make money.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971945</id>
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    <title>Comment from mattarse on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mattarse</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>:</p>
<p>I'm sorry but if the only stated rule is that wings are 20 cents you're not gaming the system by ordering the wings at 20 cents - you're getting exactly what is being advertised.<br />
Same goes for the system now where they say you must order dirnks and pay a gratuity - you are doing exactly what is being asked to get the 20 cent wings.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971911</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nogard13 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nogard13</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971296" rel="nofollow">SonicMan</a>: That is exactly what I was thinking. If you read the statement "an 18 percent gratuity will be added to the check of parties of 6 of more" in plain English, it says that an 18% optional charge for good service will be added to your check if there are at least 6 people in your party. If gratuity means optional by definition, then not paying it isn't a crime. If it were worded differently, something like "an 18 percent service fee will be added to the check of parties of 6 of more"</p><br />
<p>Any lawyer worth his salt will successfully argue this point in court. The language isn't even vague, it's pretty clear. If the owner's INTENT or MEANING of the word differs, that is not the client's problem.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971897</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toffeecake on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Toffeecake</name>
        <uri>http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16971341" rel="nofollow">katia802</a>: The article doesn't say that they complained to the manager.  Personally, that probably would have been a much better idea, since they could let the manager know about their terrible service, and they might have gotten the gratuity taken off the bill or better.  That's assuming the manager cares about the customers, of course.</p>
<p>I've gotten a couple waitresses fired before, oddly enough, from the same restaurant.  The first time, I was breastfeeding my baby in the bathroom.  One of the servers walked in, used the facilities, and walked out without washing her hands.  The second time, I think my family just drove the server crazy.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971776</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Porkchop Express on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Porkchop Express</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: "Why should the waiter bother coming by to check on your drinks if they aren't getting paid based on performance?"</p><br />
<p>For the same reason I do my job. If they don't do it right, they get fired.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971696</id>
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    <title>Comment from The Porkchop Express on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>The Porkchop Express</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: they could still charge less than $60 for a steak. they're still making plenty of money of us and the staff.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971655</id>
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    <title>Comment from treimel on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>treimel</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16971509" rel="nofollow">treimel</a>: <br />Now I remember--ordering a restaurant meal is a "present sale" contract, which is treated very differently from a normal bilateral executory contrac, which is what you describet. In essence, in a present sale contract, the agreement is consummated not by mutual promisess of performance, nor by the delivery of the goods and/or services predicated on the promise of performance by the buyer (here, a promise to pay), but rather the only way to form the contractual relationship is the *completion* of the sale, just as it is when you buy a retail item at a cash register--there is no exchange of promises, or bargaining to create a meeting of the minds, rather the sales contrect emerges from the sale itself. It's now codified as a UCC contract, but the principle of a sales contract predates the UCC.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971547</id>
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    <title>Comment from LastAndLeast on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>LastAndLeast</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970781" rel="nofollow">madtube</a>: It seems odd to me that a dog groomer would get a tip at all...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971545</id>
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    <title>Comment from witeowl on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>witeowl</name>
        <uri>http://fatathlete.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965575" rel="nofollow">Enduro</a>: See, that's the problem. They <i>didn't</i> pay what was quoted on their bill because the "gratuity" was added onto the bill.</p>
<p>The best solution would have been to get up and go to another establishment once they saw the automatic gratuity listed on the menu. Of course, it's one thing to just vow to never return to a place that has mandatory tipping (as I do), and it's an entirely different thing to actually get up <i>before ordering</i> and go elsewhere.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971509</id>
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    <title>Comment from treimel on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>treimel</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966572" rel="nofollow">Zeratul010</a>:</p><br />
<p>Well, my contract class was along time ago, but, no , you are almost certrainly *not* entering into any contract when you order a meal in arestaurant; it's treated as a retail purchase--there are generally no offers or counter-offers.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971468</id>
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    <title>Comment from jfp14reg on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jfp14reg</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This will never stand up in court.  I can't believe that the police actually followed thru with it.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971433</id>
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    <title>Comment from justsomeotherguy on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>justsomeotherguy</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>I am sure Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem is going to love being in internet hell.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971407</id>
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    <title>Comment from nbs2 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>nbs2</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16969886" rel="nofollow">petermv</a>: Being in the UK, I don't expect you to know this (although I do expect it from the US posters) - courtesy the Department of Labor:</p><br />
<p>According to the Fair Labor Standards Act, tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.</p><br />
<p>An employer may credit a portion of a tipped employee's tips against the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. An employer must pay at least $2.13 per hour. However, if an employee's tips combined with the employer's wage of $2.13 per hour do not equal the hourly minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference.</p><br />
<p>The employer who elects to use the tip credit provision must inform the employee in advance and must be able to show that the employee receives at least the applicable minimum wage (see above) when direct wages and the tip credit allowance are combined. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Also, employees must retain all of their tips, except to the extent that they participate in a valid tip pooling or sharing arrangement.</p><br />
<p><a href="http://www.dol.gov/wb/faq26.htm" rel="nofollow">[www.dol.gov]</a></p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971398</id>
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    <title>Comment from SonicMan on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>SonicMan</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968340" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: <br />
They were not obligated to pay it.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971385</id>
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    <title>Comment from Alessar on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Alessar</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: In this particular case it was the mandatory tip for having a certain size party. I understand this is to protect the waitstaff (and did you know many places deduct the credit card processing fee from the waitstaff's tips?!) but on the downside it means they don't really have to *work* their money is guaranteed.</p>
<p>What they should have done is called over the manager about the reprehensible service they got and demanded a reduced charge (some free drinks etc) on the bill. Or, a different waitstaff person. When they went to the bar and personally got refills though, red flags should have gone up all over that place.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971384</id>
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    <title>Comment from SonicMan on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966727" rel="nofollow">Michael Belisle</a>: It did not say that</p>
<p>it just said gratuity added to the bill.</p>
<p>They added a fee to the bill that is VOLUNTARY.<br />
What the bar is saying then, that for partys of 6 or more, we are adding a VOLUNTARY fee to the bill.</p>
<p>Defined gratuity "something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service"</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971341</id>
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    <title>Comment from katia802 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965994" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: From what I read in the article, the customers had to get their own drink refills from the bar, scout around the dining room to get their own napkins and silverware, and wait over an hour for their order. When they paid, they refused to pay the gratuity and complained to the manager. Police were then called and it was treated as a dine and dash. The opinion of the writer was that the charges would not hold up. My opinion, they should have cancelled the order and walked soon as they had to get their own drinks.</p></p>]]>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971318</id>
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    <title>Comment from wkm001 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>First and foremost, if you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out.</p>
<p>Secondly, by requiring a tip there is no incentive for the server to offer good service.  Waiting tables well is hard work.  But if you have guaranteed money coming from one table it is only human nature to slack a little.  I'm sure there will be arguments against this but only comment/reply if you have actually waited tables.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971311</id>
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    <title>Comment from GreatWhiteNorth on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>Tip... Definition: give a tip or gratuity to in return for a service, beyond the compensation agreed on; "Remember to tip the waiter"; "fee the steward"</p><br />
<p>Mandatory Tip... Definition: A tax levied on customers/clients to subsidize or pay in full the wages of employees. Alternately, a scam by scumbag employers to scoop more cash out of the pockets of their clients in the guise of rewarding "good service". Alternately, A tax levied on customers/clients to subsidize or pay in full the wages of employees who no longer have any incentive to actually provide decent service to the client.</p><br />
<p>Making a "tip" mandatory ensures that service is optional.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971296</id>
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    <title>Comment from SonicMan on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970995" rel="nofollow">NeverLetMeDown</a>: It really depends on how it was mentioned.</p>
<p>"18 percent gratuity added to check of parties of 6 of more"</p>
<p>Is what the story stated.</p>
<p>So the bar was basically saying that they are adding an optional 18% fee on to the check.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gratuity" rel="nofollow">[www.merriam-webster.com]</a><br />
  It is defined as "something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service"</p>
<p>The kids were not ini the wrong here,  the bar added something OPTIONAL to the check.</p>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971233</id>
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    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965235" rel="nofollow">El_Fez</a>: And then you make the dining experience hellish for the people the waiter gets next time. We were on the receiving end of one of these upset waiters. Fortunately for us, he was actually an awesome waiter who had gotten a crappy group of teens, and teens are notoriously crappy tippers.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971169</id>
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    <title>Comment from David in Brasil on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: Are tips not pooled in the US, to be shared by kitchen and waitstaff together?  Here in Brasil, they are.  And 10% service charge is added to every bill.  When I'm in the US for business, I sometimes forget to leave a tip because it's done automatically at home.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971123</id>
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    <title>Comment from JohnDeere on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16965965" rel="nofollow">orange20854</a>: if you leave nothing they may believe you just forgot. if you leave a couple pennies they know they were shitty and will do better next time.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971088</id>
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    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966558" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: Honestly, what makes 6 the tipping point? If you have five people, you're still taking up two or three tables or one large table. Unless we're talking about a Japanese steakhouse style or German brauthouse/beerhouse style type of seating where they have one large table for multiple people, I don't see why 6 is really any more trouble than 5.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971073</id>
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    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16970893" rel="nofollow">Ananelle</a>: Yep, us 20somethings are adults who have either worked in low wage jobs, are working in low wage jobs. But at least we're mature enough to tip properly.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971054</id>
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    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: When it's food, and I'm picking it up, I feel bad if I'm a regular and I don't tip. I'm not a bad tipper, and I would hate to be known as one. I did tip about 17% yesterday at my salon because it was my first time there, and she did such a good job. I was very unsatisfied at the last salon I went to, and this one was very good. I'll go back again, and I'm probably going to write a review on Yelp at some point. But I like rewarding good service.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16971013</id>
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    <title>Comment from Hobz on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16970457" rel="nofollow">soloudinhere</a>: I got an idea, why don't all restaurants raise their prices 15% and pay their employees a decent wage? Why?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:23Z</published>
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  <entry>
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    <title>Comment from NeverLetMeDown on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>:</p><br />
<p>Theft of services, and yes, it is a crime. If it was made clear on the menu that the service charge wasn't optional, then leaving without paying it is no different than leaving without paying a part of the bill at any restaurant.</p></p>]]>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970940</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ananelle on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966598" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: While I agree with you to a point, I *am* a waitress and I work at a chain restaurant. If we don't make over actual minimum wage, which I believe is now 7.25 in New York, we can get flagged, then fired if we do it 2 weeks in a row. Tips are figured into our expected wages by our bosses. Tips kind of are required in our industry, so saying "you know what you're getting into" is kind of lame, because it's not true.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I have never been stiffed on a tip and the only person who ever complained about my service was a woman who felt it totally acceptable to smack her kid in the head 3 times during the dinner and call her husband a bitch in front of the whole restaurant.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ananelle on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965984" rel="nofollow">RandomHookup</a>: I am a waitress and I can safely say the best tips I get are middle aged couples and 20somethings. Old people and teenagers are the ones to look out for. I've had teenagers pay *under* the bill because they didn't include tax or some such nonsense and just get up and leave before I noticed. Awesomesauce.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Ananelle on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: I work as a host doing just takeout some nights and we do curbside take out. While our POS system does automatically print the same receipts for table checks and to-go checks, I usually get a tip on curbside takeout because I bring them everything and wait on them hand and foot as if they were at a table. ie: when it was sweltering hot, I asked if they'd like me to put some ice water in a cup to go while they went shopping (I work right next to a shopping complex) etc etc...</p>
<p>So, no. I wouldn't expect you to tip every time. It's just about service, plain and simple.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970847</id>
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    <title>Comment from Hobz on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: Most people don't seem to comprehend that food is rather cheap for restaurants to buy. My grandmother and grandfather have owned restaurants for the past 30 years. Purchasing bulk food from suppliers is 10 times cheaper than what you purchase in the grocery store with equal or greater quality. A dish that they sell for $12.00 may only cost them $3.00 in actually materials. Tack on another $3 to $4 for labor and lights and the owner walks away with $5 to 6$ profit on just the food alone. Drinks are a whole other story and even more profit for some.</p>
<p>The other day I took my wife and family to the Melting Pot for her birthday. The bill at the end of the night came out to be $225 after a $25 coupon for a free desert. My party consisted of only 5 people, 2 of which were children. They charged me a 20% gratuity for that visit. Now, granted we were there for 2 hours, only because of the way their restaurant experience is setup. Meals come in courses and it takes a while for the customer to go through the courses. None the less, that waitress made $20 an hour on our table and because the restaurant is fondue, we cooked our own food (again part of the experience).</p>
<p>Give me a break...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970795</id>
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    <title>Comment from davere on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968474" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: I've gone through the experience of receiving bad/non-existant service and then not tipping and adding "NO SERVICE, NO TIP" on the receipt without notifying a manager until I exited.  Not because I dislike confrontation (I have no issue with that) but because the last thing I need is something nasty done to my food if I was to complain.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970784</id>
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    <title>Comment from Covertghost on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: Adding gratuity on the check doesn't magically triple the cost of your food.</p><br />
<p>If gratuity is optional (which it is if it isn't on the check) this arrest was unlawful.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from madtube on 2009-11-23</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965932" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: The credit card machines are programmed to do that on all tickets if it set by the merchant.  That is usually done at food service places and the like.  I, too, just cross out if I am receiving take-out.</p>
<p>What really drives me crazy are places that point out how much to tip when asking for a price quote.  I recently moved and was looking for a dog groomer.  At one establishment, the lady told me "The price is 45 plus the tip. That is usually 15."  I asked if that was 15 percent and she laughed and said that it was the amount!  That is a 33% percent tip and she gave me the perception that it was required.  That was more than double what I had been paying for years in Florida.</p>
<p>Needless to say, they will not be receiving my business.  I went so far as to build a grooming station in my house and am doing it myself.  I also know how my dogs will be treated when I do it.  I have seen some places that treat the dogs harsh even if the dog did nothing wrong.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970457</id>
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    <title>Comment from soloudinhere on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>soloudinhere</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>If we don't like "mandatory gratuities" on parties of 8 or 6 or 15 or whatever...then in order to change it, people in big parties need to STOP STIFFING WAITSTAFF.</p>
<p>It is a big problem when a group of 8 occupies three of your tables for two hours, runs your legs off, then only leaves you 6% because they feel like what they left you is a "lot of money."</p>
<p>Personally, in the case of the mandatory gratuity (which no, I don't have a problem with, thanks to years of being stiffed by large parties) I think it shouldn't even appear on the bill as a line item. Here is your total, service fee included, gratuity not necessary. It removes the option of stiffing the waitstaff. Personally I'd be all for adding a minimum 10% service charge to all bills, and you can tip more than that if you want...but the people who make a science out of tipping (I give $2 if my butters are all stacked neatly facing west) ae obnoxious, and it's because of them and large parties that this stuff should be done.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970443</id>
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    <title>Comment from sakanagai on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>sakanagai</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: Most places I've seen that add gratuity directly to the bill allow you to "opt out" should you choose, but you have to state so when you get your check.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see the outcome of the court case. It could help decide the fate of mandatory tipping.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970408</id>
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    <title>Comment from soloudinhere on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>soloudinhere</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16969136" rel="nofollow">coren</a>: I'm glad someone else noticed that...the amount they were reportedly charged was MORE than the mandatory gratuity. It sounds like their waiter/waitress was pretty sleazy.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970377</id>
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    <title>Comment from dreamfish on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>dreamfish</name>
        <uri>http://dreamfish.org.uk</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://dreamfish.org.uk">
        <![CDATA[<p>For those commenters who seem to imply the tip is compensation for a poor wage, why not campaign for that to be stated clearly on the menu: "A 10% mandatory poor salary compensation fee will be added; for tables of six or over, this will be 20%"</p>
<p>It would inject a degree of honesty into the situation for the wait-staff, the diners (i.e. the public at large) and especially the restaurant owners.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970337</id>
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    <title>Comment from lehrdude on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>lehrdude</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I usually just pay the "mandatory gratuity", and not a penny more.  If a restaurant can't trust me to leave a tip based on the service they provide, then I will respond by paying exactly what they think their service is worth.  Obviously I won't eat in a place that has a 50% gratuity...but who would?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970301</id>
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    <title>Comment from RandomHookup on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RandomHookup</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16968322" rel="nofollow">jarhead906</a>: I didn't say it was a 1:1 ratio. Some broke students (or insensitive or unaware) don't tip.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970296</id>
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    <title>Comment from RandomHookup on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RandomHookup</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966184" rel="nofollow">Telekinesis123</a>: If it were my call, yes. Unfortunately, the budget-conscious student goes toward PBR and Natty Light. In my day, it was "Beer" and "Light Beer" in a white can with bold black lettering.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970043</id>
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    <title>Comment from drizzt380 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>drizzt380</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968356" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: <br />
Its against federal minimum wage laws to split tips if the server makes less than normal minimum wage(minimum $2.13 for tipped employees) because the business says they are tipped employee.</p>
<p>One of the provisions for paying them as a tipped employee is that they keep all tips.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16970003</id>
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    <title>Comment from drizzt380 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>drizzt380</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968084" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: I think this place is on a road to fail.  Had it said a service fee is added for parties of 6 or more, they would probably have a leg to stand on.  But mandatory gratuity?  I believe there have been several court cases which have found in favor of the customer on this one.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969978</id>
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    <title>Comment from petermv on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>petermv</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: Right, I would guess then in your mind that over here in the UK you would never find a waiter or waitress in restaurants because they would have to be paid at least the minimum wage.</p>
<p>They also do all the above, coming by the table, checking to see if you want something else, we also don;t have time limits and don't have the check tossed onto the table until we ask for it.</p>
<p>Get real.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969886</id>
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    <title>Comment from petermv on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>petermv</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>: I always find it amazing when someone mentions that eliminating the tipping system will make everything hideously expensive, how does that work?  Over here in the UK we do not find that to be the case and we pay servers at least the minimum wage and we still have £20 steaks and £8 burgers.  Oh, yeah, we also have full health care and it is provided by the state through our taxes.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969747</id>
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    <title>Comment from El_Fez on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>El_Fez</name>
        <uri>http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyjcase/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967995" rel="nofollow">self-check</a>: Yeah, but who brings along a buck in pennies? Unless you anticipate trouble or something. . . .</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969563</id>
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    <title>Comment from MamaBug on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>MamaBug</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>I agree completely on the fact that it should be called "service fee" instead of "automatic gratuity" (auto-grat).  <br />
From my two years of serving, the only thing that made it worth taking a big table (8 or more) would be the guaranteed money.  3% of sales on the table went to bar/bus/hosting staff, regardless of tip, and because of that, when less than 3% is tipped, the server is paying to serve you essentially.  Not to mention the clean-up and the loss of tables and other possible revenue (turn n burn). A big party "runs" you no matter what.  In a big party?  Remember what you want all at once.  When you are asked if you need anything, don't say no and then flag down your waiter/ess two minutes later for ketchup.  Then tartar sauce.  Then extra napkins. <br />
/end mini-rant<br />
I am so glad I don't serve anymore.</p>
<p>However, this situation does not warrant an arrest. There was no theft of service, just "theft" of income for the server (who should be fired).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969518</id>
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    <title>Comment from MamaBug on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>MamaBug</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968637" rel="nofollow">Eric Jay</a>: exactly.  I think that many people do not grasp the 2.13/hr, and that tips = sole income, check = taxes. a service charge is the more appropriate term for auto-grat.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969448</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from Powerlurker on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Powerlurker</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967769" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>:</p>
<p>If it's a matter of a contract then it would be a civil tort and not a criminal offence.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969430</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from jamar0303 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jamar0303</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16968797" rel="nofollow">RvLeshrac</a>: And yet, in countries without this mandatory tip, you see nothing of the sort. At least, not where I live. Heck, food here is sometimes cheaper than in America.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969366</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Belisle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Belisle</name>
        <uri>http://www.smift.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968204" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: <i>According to any dictionary, the phrase mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron.</i></p>
<p>Not according to the Oxford American Dictionary that I consulted in <a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16966727" rel="nofollow">the post you're responding</a> to, so obviously this statement is false.</p>
<p><i> Is the restaurant paying taxes on the bill, or are they committing tax evasion on a portion of it?</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxpnw/tpn9812/tpn81201.html#issue2" rel="nofollow">Neither.</a> Tips and reasonable mandatory charges are not included in sales receipts and aren't subject to sales tax, as long as they are properly documented and the entire amount is dispersed to the employees who provided the service.</p>
<p>They are, however, considered income. Hence the employee who receives the disbursement should be paying individual income tax on the earnings.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969165</id>
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    <title>Comment from ShadowFalls on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ShadowFalls</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966612" rel="nofollow">Boulderite</a>:</p>
<p>Which is why I will never eat at a place that forces that on you. I tip based on quality of service provided. I have even personally tipped the cook before. If you as a restaurant is trying to force me to tip a certain amount, I just won't do any business with you. Otherwise they can just give you bad service and still get the same amount which in itself is atrocious.</p>
<p>Maybe I am old-fashioned, but a person shouldn't get more than they deserve. Also, one must prove their worth, not have it set in stone.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969150</id>
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    <title>Comment from eelmonger on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>eelmonger</name>
        <uri>http://www.picbreeder.org</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.picbreeder.org">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968322" rel="nofollow">jarhead906</a>: I hope he at least delivered your subs.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969136</id>
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    <title>Comment from coren on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>coren</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>On 73 bucks, 20 percent is 14.60 - They were just shy of 22.5 percent (without reading the linked article, mind you)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16969098</id>
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    <title>Comment from Tallanvor on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Tallanvor</name>
        <uri>http://www.americaninoslo.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the airlines tacking on extra fees for busy travel times, and they're being investigated by the government now, because they don't collect taxes on those fees.</p>
<p>If a restaurant makes tipping mandatory, then it's part of the cost of the meal, and they should also have to charge taxes on it.  I think that might make more people take notice...</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968885</id>
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    <title>Comment from Ptath on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Ptath</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>If it is mandatory, it's a fee, and not a gratuity. A tip is something extra I give to show my appreciation of the quality of service (and NOT the food!).</p>
<p>I NEVER tip bad waiters or waitresses, with the hope that they will quit and be replaced by somneone who is good and actually cares about QoS.</p>
<p>If this make me sound harsh, I am not: I an an understanding, agreeable customer. If there are delays in the kitchen, and I am told - that's OK. I have worked in and owned restaurants, I know that these things happen. I don't ask for much, but it is depressing hopw often I don't even get that.</p>
<p>As for payscale: A good waiter or waitress will make a good amount of tip and a decent living out of this hard work. What mandatory tipping means is that the lousy slackers now have no incentive whatsoever to be good.</p>
<p>Eventually - clients do not come back. THe restaurant starts making less money, then closes. And the GOOD staff lose their jobs along the bad ones.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968797</id>
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    <title>Comment from RvLeshrac on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RvLeshrac</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966861" rel="nofollow">BCMHGB</a>:</p><br />
<p>Most people don't seem to comprehend that they'd *NEVER* be able to afford to eat out if waitstaff were paid well, and at the least would rarely (if ever) get anything even approaching decent service.</p><br />
<p>Why should the waiter bother coming by to check on your drinks if they aren't getting paid based on performance? They can see you just fine from across the room.</p><br />
<p>You'd also start seeing time-limits at far more than just the fanciest restaurants. You want to sit there and yammer on after you eat? Too freaking bad, we need to turn tables around, FAST, so we can make enough money to pay the staff.</p><br />
<p>All that assumes, of course, that restaurants wouldn't just go completely self-serve. Cooks, busboys, and a bartender is all that you'd need to run a restaurant, and millions of people would be starving on the street.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:22Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968721</id>
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    <title>Comment from RvLeshrac on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RvLeshrac</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966811" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>:</p><br />
<p>If you're not making *GOOD* money as a waiter, you're doing it wrong. Find a new restaurant (or learn the fine art of turning tables).</p><br />
<p>Friend of mine used to tell me the waiters at a Mellow Mushroom here would whine about "only" making $500+ in tips during the week. That's what was left *after* tipping out to the kitchen, mind.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968694</id>
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    <title>Comment from mralmostpopular on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>mralmostpopular</name>
        <uri>http://youtube.com/mralmostpopular</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966558" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: See, here's the problem with calling it a gratuity: the definition of gratuity is (as defined by Websters) "something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service". In other words, they are not obliged to pay it. Since this is not only the official definition, but how we socially understand it, when it's put in writing, then it's generally legally binding. The restaurant may as well have put "completely optional fee". The problem with putting things in writing is that if you don't fully understand what you're putting down on paper (menu, receipt, etc), you can end up screwing yourself over. This is exactly what the restaurant did when they called it a "gratuity" as opposed to a "service fee". I have a feeling this will not stand up in court, unless the guys don't even try to defend themselves. Simply being arrested doesn't mean much, since police officers generally have a fairly limited understanding of what's legal and what's not legal. That's why you have prosecutors.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968689</id>
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    <title>Comment from DangerMouth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DangerMouth</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968474" rel="nofollow">DangerMouth</a>: Nevermind, the article clearly states the wording was 'gratuity'. Next time I'll RTFA more closely.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968682</id>
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    <title>Comment from RvLeshrac on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RvLeshrac</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>Of special interest: In Georgia (at least), it is illegal to verbally solicit a tip.</p><br />
<p>Also of special interest: The "X% Gratuity will be added to parties of Y or more" has less to do with your specific waiter than it has to do with the additional work often required by waitstaff and cleaning crews to clean up after a larger group of people. Small groups of diners tend to clean up after themselves, for the most part, but larger groups frequently *destroy* their table and the surrounding area.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968676</id>
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    <title>Comment from heldc on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>heldc</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I can't think of ANY sit down restaurants in the DC metro area that don't automatically add an 18% tip to the bill for large (usually defined as 6 or more) parties. But, I've also known plenty of people who asked to have the automatic tip removed when the service was poor, and never heard of anyone having a problem. I've done this myself, once. Another time I would have done so, but we'd spoken to someone during the meal, and when the bill came our drinks had been comped, so we figured it came out to about the same thing.<br />
If the restaurant accepted the payment, and the payment was in full including tax other than the tip, it's insane that the restaurant would then call the cops.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968637</id>
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    <title>Comment from Eric Jay on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Eric Jay</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I worked at a place where the "automatic gratuity" was something we had to add manually, and I never did. I was a damn good waiter, and "rolled the dice."  Although my overall tip average was between 20 and 25 percent, it was significantly lower (10-15%) for large parties.  I think it's just harder psychologically for an individual to write a really large number (compared to other tips) on the charge slip, even if it's based on a percentage they would normally use.</p>
<p>One of my worst was a $50 tip on a $750 check for a party of about 15 people.  The guy who paid was a regular of mine, who usually tipped well, and continued to request me as a server afterward.  After required share to the bartender, busser, and hostess (based on sales, not tip received), I took less than $15.  It was unfortunate, but it was the nature of the business I was in, and over time, the good balanced out the bad.</p>
<p>Still, situations like that make me understand why it's policy to add a set percentage for large parties.  I think the thresholds should be a little higher (10 people), the percentage should be a little lower (15% with option for customer to add more) and it should be listed as a "service charge" so there's no confusion as to whether or not it's required.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968555</id>
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    <title>Comment from db4dbms on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>db4dbms</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Isn't there a lower limit on charges for theft?  I thought it had to be at least $20 or something for civil matters...?  And I think the police here should be held MORE accountable than the restaurant.  Coming to see the situation is one thing, but actual arrest of the patrons...they should be reprimanded for this!</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968537</id>
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    <title>Comment from Eric Jay on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Eric Jay</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968040" rel="nofollow">whylime</a>: Yes, this.  I've waited tables at places where we didn't have staff assigned to take out.  Whichever server was in the kitchen when the order was up would take care of the packing, ringing-up, etc.  It was a nice bit of lagniappe when someone added a dollar or two, especially if I went out of my way to accommodate a special request... but it certainly wasn't something I expected or felt was necessary.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968474</id>
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    <title>Comment from DangerMouth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DangerMouth</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966042" rel="nofollow">Al Swearengen</a>: Seriously, the time to complain about bad service is while it's happening, to the manager.  It seems a bit disengenuous to go thru all that waiting, drinking and dining, and then decide the service was too bad to tip.</p>
<p>Also, for all those pedantically hauling out the dictionary for the precise definition of 'gratuity', it's pretty common to see the wording "an x% service charge will be added to all parties of y or more". I'm not sure I've ever seen the term 'gratuity used when they were telling you you *had* to pay it. just sayin.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968437</id>
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    <title>Comment from Happy13178 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Happy13178</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5408629/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip#c16967699" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>: +1 The whole "But the business isn't making any money on it" argument carries no weight with me. I'm not going to be cajoled into paying extra because I feel bad for the poor little business's bottom line. It's not my responsibility to worry about whether or not a business is making money on advertised prices or services. That's their job. My job is to take care of my own bottom line, make use of sales when they happen, etc. When someone says "oh, you should buy accessories for this TV, because we sell it at cost, and we have to make money somewhere..." not my problem. As for the issue at hand, 6 people isn't exactly a "party" at a pub, and 18% gratuity is excessive for the service I get at most restaurants anyways. Even if it was mandatory, it should at the very least be negotiable based on exceptionally poor service, as it seems to be in this case. The fact that the police were called in, and actually arrested them shows poor judgement at best, and a review of common sense and sensibility.</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968410</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966598" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: I usually leave a tip.  I give 5% of the bill for the server being either professionally polite (and/or genuinely friendly).  I give 5% for being attentive (if I'm at one of their tables, and they go by twice without filling my empty water glass, and the second of those times they do NOT have a huge armload of plates, they fail this one).  I give 5% if the place is completely slammed and service doesn't suck (I also give this one if the place is empty, and my water glass never gets below half full).  If they fail all three, I leave a two cent tip.  In all cases, I leave a note on the bill as to why I tipped what I did.<br />
 <br />
I'm not exactly the richest guy around, so I can't afford to pay huge tips.  But I do consider that 15% to be part of the cost of dining out.  I do insist on getting decent service though, whether the menu says a gratuity is mandatory or not (no service == 2 cent tip).</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968360</id>
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    <title>Comment from jarhead906 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jarhead906</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>That must be some awfully fast response time on the cops' side.  Why didn't the two students just leave?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968356</id>
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    <title>Comment from DangerMouth on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>DangerMouth</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968105" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: Income tax *is* paid on tips by the people who actually see the money- wait-bus-bar staff and the host(ess). And yes, the lousy tip generally gets split between that many people.</p>
<p>The biz itself doesn't get that money, why should they pay tax on it? It would be different if a service charge was added to the bill and the FOH staff was paid a decent wage, but that it not currently the case in the US.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968349</id>
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    <title>Comment from jarhead906 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jarhead906</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965994" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>:</p>
<p>I know that my local Buffalo Wild Wings has a small sticker on the back of the menu (barely legible) with a gratuity notification for large parties.</p>
<p>I mean, it's not like you signed a legal document or something.  That's like me sending you some of my books with an enveloper and return address telling you that they cost $3 each and I expect payment by a month.</p>
<p>I would walk right out of the joint too.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968340</id>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966356" rel="nofollow">scootinger</a>: They may well have agreed to a contract to pay the 18%.  But what I don't get, since when is breach of contract a criminal matter, rather than civil?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from jarhead906 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>jarhead906</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965984" rel="nofollow">RandomHookup</a>:</p>
<p>I'm a college student and I paid a Jimmy John's delivery guy a $5 tip for no reason at all.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968306</id>
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    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968306" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966572" rel="nofollow">Zeratul010</a>: Your analysis looks right to me, except for the fact that a gratuity can never be mandatory (combining the two words creates an oxymoron).<br />
 <br />
I think I'll start carrying correction tape with me when I dine out.  If presenting a menu with that statement on it is a contract, and ordering signifies acceptance... then if you white out that line, order, and hand the menu to the server, the server bringing the food would be their acceptance of the modified terms.<br />
 <br />
Whether the clause about the 18% gratuity is on the bill at the end or not would then be irrelevant, so long as the customer crossed that out too.<br />
 <br />
If the restaurant then did what the pub did, and called the cops, would that be slander and/or libel, since they'd be making a false accusation?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968268</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968268" />
    <title>Comment from u1itn0w2day on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>u1itn0w2day</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>I think alot of the hospitality industry relies on ' the tip ' a little too much . If you want guaranteed service perhaps the price of the menu should reflect a 12 dollar an hour wait staff .</p><br />
<p>What I can't stand are the tip cups at places like Dunkin Donuts or 7-11 . And I have given tips at places like BK or Mickey Ds with no tip cup . Begging , asking for or explaining how you are paid is just rude and ignorant .</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968243</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968243" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966042" rel="nofollow">Al Swearengen</a>: Actually, going by contract law, if the customer were to cross out the line in the menu about it being mandatory with a sharpie, it would no longer apply, even if the customer did order food.<br />
 <br />
If that's done to the menu, and the order is accepted and food brought, it wouldn't matter in the slightest what the bill says about gratuities, the contract is already accepted.<br />
 <br />
Of course, the phrase "mandatory gratuity" is an oxymoron.  The word meanings are mutually exclusive.  Put together, they constitute nonsense.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968204</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968204" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16968192" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: Oh, and according to any dictionary, the phrase mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron...who needs for it to imply that it's optional, when the literal meaning of the word all but screams it?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968192</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968192" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966727" rel="nofollow">Michael Belisle</a>: A restaurant bill is subject to tax (restaurant tax, sales tax, whatever the local government charges).  A gratuity is usually exempted from that tax.<br />
 <br />
If the gratuity is mandatory, it's no longer a gratuity, but a bill (technically a service fee).  Is the restaurant paying taxes on the bill, or are they committing tax evasion on a portion of it?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968171</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968171" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966168" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: A contract can be negotiated though.  If the menu is a contract, then it's not vandalism or destruction of property to write in it (few restaurants would agree) to modify the contract terms (lining out the mandatory gratuity, for example).<br />
 <br />
If it's not okay to write on their menus with a sharpie, then the menus are not contracts.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968133</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968133" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: No, it's not bad.  A gratuity/tip is a reward for the server providing good service.  If you pick up stuff at the kitchen yourself (as opposed to having it brought to your table, drinks poured, etc), then there's no reason to tip.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968116</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968116" />
    <title>Comment from nsv on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>nsv</name>
        <uri>http://nvaine.wordpress.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://nvaine.wordpress.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>I've left a 100% tip when the service warranted it.  And I've left a handful of pennies.  If the restaurant leaves it up to me the wait staff will get the tip they've earned.</p>
<p>If we've got to have this stupid system of giving money to wait staff to reward the service they've provided, then we should be allowed to do exactly that.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968105</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968105" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965631" rel="nofollow">2 replies by</a>: False advertising, maybe.  Tax evasion definitely, since service fees and bills are subject to taxes.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968084</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968084" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16967783" rel="nofollow">ludwigk</a>: Mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron.  If it's mandatory, it's not a gratuity of any kind, it's a bill.  And restaurant bills are taxed.<br />
 <br />
<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gratuity" rel="nofollow">[dictionary.reference.com]</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968052</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968052" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965542" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: A gratuity (according to dictionary.com) is a gift, above and beyond the payment for the meal or service, and is not claimed or demanded by the recipient.  If no (or extremely bad) service was provided, then the server should not expect a tip, no matter what the menu or bill says.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968047</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968047" />
    <title>Comment from psm321 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>psm321</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>This happen to a group I was in once... we basically told the manager he could either get the full amount (including the automatic tip on the bill) and never see any of us in there again, or we were not paying the full tip (horrible service).</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968040</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968040" />
    <title>Comment from whylime on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>whylime</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: Sometimes I leave a $1 tip for to-go orders.  I know you don't really get full-service when you order take-out, but someone does have to take the time to pack the meal, include things like utensils and sauce and bread and stuff. I don't feel obligated though, and I don't think it's standard practice.  It usually depends on my mood, or how the people at the restaurant treat me while I'm waiting.  Sometimes the waitresses are really nice, and get me water while I wait, etc.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968032</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968032" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965486" rel="nofollow">rpm773</a>: Yup, it's not quite the Streisand Effect, but it's close enough to it...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968026</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968026" />
    <title>Comment from outlulz on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>outlulz</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>I would have been a smartass and asked that they split the check six ways.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16968017</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16968017" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: Mandatory gratuity is an oxymoron.  The words are mutually exclusive.  Refusing to tip someone for service they did not provide is not dine &amp; dash.  If you can get arrested for not tipping, can a server get arrested (theft of service perhaps) for not providing service in exchange for that oxymoron?<br />
 <br />
Restaurant bills are directly taxed.  Tips are generally not.  A "mandatory" tip is a bill, not a gratuity, and should be taxed on the bill...or not be there.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967995</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16967995" />
    <title>Comment from self-check on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>self-check</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>It'd be more fun to leave a tip of $1 (or more!) in pennies, laid out all over the table. The waiter would spend a little while picking them all up himself, which would somewhat describe the experience the diner(s) had.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967982</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16967982" />
    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966434" rel="nofollow">UGAdawg</a>: When I get appallingly bad service, I tip two cents, for the symbolic value.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967935</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16967935" />
    <title>Comment from Kishi on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kishi</name>
        <uri>http://mvn.com/mlb-diamondbacks/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://mvn.com/mlb-diamondbacks/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966719" rel="nofollow">Nicole</a>: Probably a lot of them either have been or know someone who has worked as a waiter.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967902</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16967902" />
    <title>Comment from BytheSea on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>BytheSea</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>I'm from PA, about an hour from Bethlehem. I heard there was some sort of incident and the *couple* called the cops. FWIW.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967857</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16967857" />
    <title>Comment from u1itn0w2day on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>u1itn0w2day</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16965769" rel="nofollow">Telekinesis123</a>: I understand the staff feeling as though they were robbed but how they make money is definately not police business . If the wait staff wants to pull the law book out fine let them swear in court they never took unreported cash tips not on the bill .</p><br />
<p>I don't think the police were bullies but just responding to a complaint . It should have been a citation at most . I think shoplifters can't even arrested unless it's over 100$ or something .</p><br />
<p>I understand that in the restaurant business that the wait staff relies heavily on tips but a tip is an optional gift by the customer: it's a privilege and not an entitlement .</p><br />
<p>I will say the customers involved seemed kind of spoiled yuppyish and very well might have been running an ignorant scam which is unfortunate for the wait staff . If the food was slow in coming that's a kitchen problem as much as it is a service problem . I think the service staff was just an easy target .</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967783</id>
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    <title>Comment from ludwigk on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ludwigk</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965575" rel="nofollow">Enduro</a>: they had a party of 6, and the menu states that a mandatory gratuity is added for parties that big.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967769</id>
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    <title>Comment from ludwigk on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ludwigk</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: There may be a statute on the books to cover dine-and-dash, which this is perhaps considered to fall under.</p>
<p>Perhaps they are treating this as a contract matter, in that the menu and receipt state that 18% gratuity is added to parties of 6 or more.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967699</id>
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    <title>Comment from ludwigk on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>ludwigk</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: I disagree completely. $.20, and $.10 wings are definitely a system to game, and that ordering what you want, and maximizing your utility per dollar are a customer's right, and the definition of rational behavior.</p>
<p>When you say "people don't realize that it is a business," you should include that the *business itself* doesn't realize that it is a business. If they can't make money by having $.20 wings, then they shouldn't do it. If they are trying to motivate a particular result, they need to accept that they are not always going to get it, or they need to change the nature of the bargain. Sounds like they wised up, but any 'abuse' they suffered before that is simply their own fault. They may not like me buying just $2 of wings, but if the bargain is "$.2 wings," and 10 wings is precisely what I want, why would I order anything else?</p>
<p>If the low ticket values screws over tipped employees, again, that is *the business* screwing over the employees, not the customer. Customers are not obligated to buy stuff they don't want to maintain an average dollar sale that the wait staff expects. That is not the customer's problem.</p>
<p>If drinks are required, that's a drink minimum. If gratuity is added to all checks, it's not gratuity, its a fee. If that's working now, if that is the bargain that they wanted, that's what it should have been from the beginning, not the problematic 10 cent wings that are imminently abusable, for which they only have themselves to blame.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:21Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16967077</id>
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    <title>Comment from tjrchicago on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>tjrchicago</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966832" rel="nofollow">Michael Belisle</a>:</p>
<p>I think you are correct, but that isn't exactly what happened.  They offered (counter-offered in legalese) to pay the check without the gratuity.  That offer was accepted by the restaurant.  Then they called the cops.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966971</id>
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    <title>Comment from thisistobehelpful on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>thisistobehelpful</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965699" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: Uh... not in England I guess? Same way we didn't tip bartenders but you could buy them drinks if you thought they were exceptional.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966861</id>
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    <title>Comment from BCMHGB on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>BCMHGB</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: Pay decient wages for service staff?  HA!  Sure we as an industry will do that so you do not have to tip..oh that $20 steak you like just turned into a $60 steak.  That $8 burger became $25.  Need I go on?</p>
<p>Americans want cheap food.  The system that exists works.  Forced gratuity should only be used for private parties/catering events.  Not for a "group of 6 or more."  It is horseshit to FORCE people to pay for bad service.</p>
<p>Oh and do not tip poorly because the food was crappy.  Did your server actually prepare the dish?  No?  Ok, tip accordingly.  Don't be a dick.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966851</id>
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    <title>Comment from AdvocatesDevil on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>AdvocatesDevil</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>Look at these reviews on Yelp:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yelp.com/biz/lehigh-pub-bethlehem" rel="nofollow">[www.yelp.com]</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966832</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Belisle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Belisle</name>
        <uri>http://www.smift.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.smift.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966099" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: I'm pretty sure that accepting partial payment of a debt neither settles the debt nor implies that a new contract is formed.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966811</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966779" rel="nofollow">t0ph</a>: And I might add that I wish that the industry was different and we all got paid a decent wage, but it is the way it is and you aren't going to change anything by not tipping.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966795</id>
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    <title>Comment from UGAdawg on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>UGAdawg</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966580" rel="nofollow">holytrainwreck</a>: I only ask for it to be comp'ed if the food itself was bad.  But yeah I hear ya.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966786</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Belisle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Belisle</name>
        <uri>http://www.smift.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.smift.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Apparently there's <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/nyregion/15tipper.html" rel="nofollow">precedent for dropping the charge</a>:</p>
<p></p><blockquote>The Warren County district attorney, Kathleen B. Hogan, said that she had determined that the man, Humberto A. Taveras, could not be forced to pay a gratuity.<p></p>
<p>Ms. Hogan said, "A tip or gratuity is discretionary, and that's what the courts have found."</p>
<p>But the dispute over a tip of a few dollars still cost Mr. Taveras, 41, of Roslyn Heights, several hundred dollars in legal fees.</p></blockquote><p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966779</id>
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    <title>Comment from t0ph on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>t0ph</name>
        <uri>http://t0ph.com/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://t0ph.com/">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: My girlfriend working in a place that does .20 and .10 wings on some night. They had to set restrictions such as you have to order at least $2 worth of wings and order a minimum of $4 of drinks (which is 2 sodas or 1 beer). And there is a 20% gratuity added to all checks, and it says so on the menu.</p>
<p>Before that, they had people ordering $2 of wings, drinking water and not tipping. Because people don't realize that it is a business, instead they think it is a system to game and the people working there are all slaves.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966727</id>
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    <title>Comment from Michael Belisle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Michael Belisle</name>
        <uri>http://www.smift.com/</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966168" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>:  As defined in the OAD, a "tip" is not strictly optional, thought probably implied by "reward":<br />
</p><blockquote>tip <i>n.</i> a sum of money given to someone as a reward for their services.</blockquote><br />
But it didn't say tip. It said mandatory "gratuity", which has no implication that requires it to be optional:<br />
<blockquote>gra•tu•i•ty <i>n.</i> money given in return for some service or favor</blockquote><br />
So I see nothing wrong here with the usage of "mandatory gratuity". It is money required to be paid as a condition of receiving service for 6 or more.<p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966721</id>
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    <title>Comment from gollerpr on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gollerpr</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>At what point are the police culpable for false arrest... it would seem the case here...  Unless there is some notice that ALL bills will have added to it a gratuity, tipping is completely at the patron's discretion.  The cops should have their butts sued to high heaven...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966719</id>
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    <title>Comment from Nicole on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Nicole</name>
        <uri>http://www.nicoleglynn.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.nicoleglynn.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965984" rel="nofollow">RandomHookup</a>: I was told by a former waitress last night that it's actually teenagers and old people that usually stiff them on the tip. She said people in their 20's are usually the best tippers.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966690</id>
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    <title>Comment from AvatarofBelle on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>AvatarofBelle</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Even if the place automatically charges gratuity to large parties, the customer can adjust the gratuity amount to whatever amount they want.  If it's a service charge, that may count as theft.  I think the police are in the wrong here.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966672</id>
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    <title>Comment from holytrainwreck on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>holytrainwreck</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966293" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: Well Judge Greg Mathis would exclaim that the restaurant hired a bunch of dope fiends and awarded the students punitive damages.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966649</id>
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    <title>Comment from gmxperry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gmxperry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966558" rel="nofollow">H3ion</a>: While I don't totally understand the law behind mandatory gratuities, I still stand by my statement that when the restaurant accepted the payment for the bill sans the tip, they agreed on a new contract and there's no reason those kids should've been arrested. I hope they get a lawyer that at least TRIES that argument. That or the Chewbacca one, either should work...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966625</id>
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    <title>Comment from Atheist Jew on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Atheist Jew</name>
        <uri>http://www.biggamebox.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.biggamebox.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>Yet another reason why I love living in Japan (when I do). In Japan, excellent customer service is simply what is expected from everyone, customers and employee alike, no matter what the business is.</p>
<p>I have been actually chased down in Tokyo by waiters/waitresses for leaving a tip behind when I left the restaurant.</p>
<p>They gave the tip back. Gratuity is bullshit.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966612</id>
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    <title>Comment from Boulderite on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Boulderite</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Did the menu say that a "Gratuity would automatically be added for a table of 6" or something along those lines?</p>
<p>If so then when they sat down and ordered they agreed to that automatically added gratuity. And since it is added to the bill, then when they didn't pay the gratuity they didn't pay the entire bill. They essentially ran out on part of the bill.</p>
<p>I don't agree with automatic gratuities. But when you agree to them, then you must pay them. <br />
If the service was that bad then it was their responsibility to speak with the manager and work it out with him. Not decide not to pay and walk out on part of their bill.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966598</id>
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    <title>Comment from gmxperry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gmxperry</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966462" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: While I don't remember the exact tip amount - I think it just ended up being 0 - the worst dining experience I can remember was from at least 10 years ago. My family and I went out to some little bar/restaurant hole-in-the-wall place in Boston and the service was terrible. Waitress was slow and inattentive, unfriendly, and she even tried to charge my uncle for two or three beers that he didn't even order. It was pretty crazy, especially considering the beers that he did order were still at the table, in all their empty-bottley goodness. But yeah, we either left no tip or something horribly low.</p>
<p>I don't see a problem with leaving a crappy tip if the service justifies it. I mean, the service has to be REAL bad, to the point of deliberately bad, before I'd leave a tip like that. But leaving no tip is justified. I get that waiters and waitresses don't even make minimum wage, but that isn't a secret. If you get into that line of work, you know what you're getting into. Tips shouldn't be expected or minimum. You should get a good tip if you did a good job, that's how I operate.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966580</id>
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    <title>Comment from holytrainwreck on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>holytrainwreck</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966434" rel="nofollow">UGAdawg</a>: If I got bad service like that I would want THEM to pay ME!</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966572</id>
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    <title>Comment from Zeratul010 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Zeratul010</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16966099" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: I'm still learning contract law, so my analysis may not be dead on.  As I see it, the offer is made to the patrons when they order - they get to eat X food in exchange for paying Y price listed.  They accept the restaurant's offer by placing their order.  The restaurant then performs their side of the contract by supplying the food.  The patrons are then obligated to uphold their end of the contract, and pay for the meal.</p><br />
<p>A counter-offer in this case would've been "Hey, this item is a bit expensive - can I pay two dollars under Y?"  If the restaurant made it clear that a party over 6 would have to pay a mandatory tip, that was part of the restaurant's initial offer.  The language on the notices may get the restaurant into trouble there - "18 percent gratuity added to check of parties of 6 of more" isn't specific as to whether said gratuity is mandatory.</p><br />
<p>(Caveats: I don't know Pennsylvania statutes or case law.  They may have had cases already that put this matter to rest.  They may not have, however, which would be cool for the lawyer who gets the case.  Also, if the students were arrested, that's a criminal matter - haven't gotten to study that yet, but different criminal statutes may change what was required of the students.)</p></p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966558</id>
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    <title>Comment from H3ion on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>H3ion</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>If the 18% is stated to be a gratuity (calculated for large groups for their convenience [snicker]) then there was no obligation to pay it.  Had the group been five people, there would have been no issue.  There simply would have been no tip.  Well, this is just a recommended tip in any case.  Whether we are one or eight people eating together, we reward good service with a good tip.</p>
<p>I hope the students involved can get enough of their fellow students to picket and boycott the restaurant.  When sales go through the floor, the restaurant may think twice about imposing a "mandatory" charge for crappy service and then making a criminal case out of it.  At the same time, I wonder whether the students couldn't file a criminal complaint against the restaurant for fraudulent advertising.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966462</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toffeecake on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Toffeecake</name>
        <uri>http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The lowest tip I ever remember paying was something like 38 cents.  On top of horrible service, while the server was clearing our plates, she held a steak knife in the same hand she was holding the plates so that it was sticking out facing backwards.  The blade actually came within inches from our baby's head, who was sitting in a high chair next to me.  It was just her carelessness, but she could have stabbed my child in the face.</p>
<p>She also had the nerve to open up the tab book and look in it as soon as we handed it to her, before we had even gotten up from the table.  The look on her face was priceless; she bolted to the kitchen until we had gone.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966434</id>
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    <title>Comment from UGAdawg on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>UGAdawg</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965965" rel="nofollow">orange20854</a>: I agree with El_Fez.  Tipping a VERY small amount means that you had every intention to tip but because the service sucked you show it with leaving something that makes it statement.  Otherwise the waitress/waiter will figure you as a non-tipper and won't get a clue about how bad they are.  It's more insulting to receive a dime or a dollar than nothing at all.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966412</id>
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    <title>Comment from gmxperry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gmxperry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966356" rel="nofollow">scootinger</a>: I can see what you're getting at, though quality service is kinda expected though not actually required. Like I said earlier, I'm no expert on contract law, but I'm pretty sure that they can tack that statement on their menu and then provide you with whatever service they want and you're still bound to the terms of the "contract".</p>
<p>Which sorta confuses me as to why they were arrested. Like someone said above, this sounds like a civil matter, not a criminal matter. They didn't actually commit a crime, they just didn't honor their end of a contract. Eh, I dunno, law iz hard</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966378</id>
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    <title>Comment from Scatter on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Scatter</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966015" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>:</p>
<p>Your dad pays a dollar to complain about bad service?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966356</id>
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    <title>Comment from scootinger on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>scootinger</name>
        <uri>http://www.scootinger.net</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.scootinger.net">
        <![CDATA[<p>While they might have "agreed" to pay the 18% gratuity by eating there (which I think is asinine personally), didn't the restaurant agree to provide a reasonable quality of service in return and fail to do so? That makes it even more disgusting that they're trying to extort a service fee for a service that they failed to provide.</p>
<p>If this were any other kind of product or service, would you write it off as acceptable for them to charge you full price for the service delivered while not providing the service that you paid for? Why the double-standard for waitstaff?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966347</id>
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    <title>Comment from SteveBMD on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>SteveBMD</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966015" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>:</p>
<p><i>When my grandmother receives bad service, she calls over the manager and explains to him why she's not leaving a tip.</i></p>
<p>And then she tells the kids to get off her lawn!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966293</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toffeecake on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Toffeecake</name>
        <uri>http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16966099" rel="nofollow">gmxperry</a>: I prefer Judge Joe Brown, as I have a thing for incredulous black judges :)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966184</id>
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    <title>Comment from Telekinesis123 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Telekinesis123</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965984" rel="nofollow">RandomHookup</a>: Yes, plenty of Newcastle.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966182</id>
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    <title>Comment from Red_Flag on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Red_Flag</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>That's insane. And the tag is right. If you have to pay it, and most certainly if you can be arrested for not paying it, it's not a "tip".</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966168</id>
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    <title>Comment from gmxperry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gmxperry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965994" rel="nofollow">Toffeecake</a>: I believe that, in these cases, it would be mandatory because of the language of the contract - i.e. the menu - so by meeting the criteria set in the menu you're agreeing to the terms. I do think the usage of the term "gratuity" is kinda shady, though, as everyone else has pointed out. It should be called a "service fee" or whatever, because it isn't a tip when you're forced to pay it. But yeah, I agree, that's totally what it sounds like.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966099</id>
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    <title>Comment from gmxperry on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>gmxperry</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The article says that they accepted the payment and THEN acted on it. I'm not an expert at contract law, but doesn't the establishment accepting the payment sans tip "settling" the agreement on a new contract? Even if the menu says the 'tip' is required, they made a new contract by settling and accepting the payment.</p>
<p>Is this not the case? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I do watch a lot of People's Court...</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966082</id>
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    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>CompyPaq</name>
        <uri>http://facebash.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://facebash.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>The issue here was that the restaurant assessed a mandatory 18% service charge because they had 6 people. If they decided not to pay it, it should have been left at that.</p>
<p>I have a feeling there is more to the story.</p>
<p>I also have a feeling that alcohol was involved somehow.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966042</id>
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    <title>Comment from Al Swearengen on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Al Swearengen</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>They should have left a note on the bill - WILL NOT PAY TIP, TERRIBLE SERVICE. This way the place knows there was bad service. However, if the menu and bill clearly say a tip is automatic on larger groups, they are going to be assumed to have agreed to those terms by eating there, and so will probably be legally on the hook for this.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16966015</id>
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    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>CompyPaq</name>
        <uri>http://facebash.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://facebash.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965235" rel="nofollow">El_Fez</a>: When my father receives bad service, he goes to the front to pay and gives a $1.00 tip. The person handling the payment will always comment and he will explain to them  what happened. When my grandmother receives bad service, she calls over the manager and explains to him why she's not leaving a tip.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965994</id>
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    <title>Comment from Toffeecake on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Toffeecake</name>
        <uri>http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.toffeemama.etsy.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>It looks from the article as though they paid the bill minus the 18 percent "gratuity".  My question is, even if they automatically add the tip for large parties, is it mandatory to pay it?  On the one hand, it's on the bill, but on the other hand, tips are supposed to be optional.  Either way, it sounds to me like they had a super crappy server who figured that since she was getting 18% anyway, she didn't have to do her job.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965984</id>
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    <title>Comment from RandomHookup on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>RandomHookup</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>As long as there are college students, there will be upset waitresses getting stiffed on a tip.</p><br />
<p>After all, there is beer to be bought.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965965</id>
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    <title>Comment from orange20854 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>orange20854</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965235" rel="nofollow">El_Fez</a>:</p>
<p>NO!  Leaving a dime, or penny, or tiny amount of change is the WORST thing you can do.  If you unhappy with the service, and really feel as though it warranted no gratuity, you should leave nothing.  Period.  Leave nothing, but before you leave, inform the manager that you have decided to leave no gratuity because the service was terrible.</p>
<p>That way, you aren't a jerk, and you have justified your decision.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965954</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965954" />
    <title>Comment from statgrad on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>statgrad</name>
        <uri>http://www.statgrad.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.statgrad.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965350" rel="nofollow">heismanpat</a>: When you put it that way, it sounds like a hidden fee &amp; not a tip.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965932</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965932" />
    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>CompyPaq</name>
        <uri>http://facebash.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://facebash.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965734" rel="nofollow">Oranges w/ Cheese has 2 cats! ahahaha.</a>: I always see this too and also just cross out the line. I think its just how the restaurant Point-Of-Sale systems are set up and they would be surprised if you tipped for pick-up.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:20Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965797</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965797" />
    <title>Comment from delphi_ote on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>delphi_ote</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>gratuity - 1. a gift of money, over and above payment due for service, as to a waiter or bellhop; tip. 2. something given without claim or demand.<br />
<a></a></p><p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965769</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965769" />
    <title>Comment from Telekinesis123 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Telekinesis123</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965673" rel="nofollow">Telekinesis123</a>: Sorry saw they said it was "theft". Unless it is clearly stated to them that service is not included in the price of the meal they can not be charged with theft, also a clear price has to be set like $5 for service from a waiter which I doubt is the case.</p>
<p>Just another example of uneducated police bullying honest citizens.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965734</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965734" />
    <title>Comment from Oranges w/ Cheese on the move on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oranges w/ Cheese on the move</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Here's a quandry though - lately when I pick up to-go orders (no delivery, but carryout) and I am handed a receipt with a space for tip I normally just cross it out and leave the value of the check.</p>
<p>Is this bad? I just feel that I'm doing most of the work over the cost of the meal.</p>
<p>However, I did give my hairstylist a nice $5 tip because she gave me a free shampoo the other day (on a $13 cut)</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965699</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965699" />
    <title>Comment from Oranges w/ Cheese on the move on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oranges w/ Cheese on the move</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16961953" rel="nofollow">Kimaroo - Fortified with Kittydus Purrularis</a>: It isn't mandatory, its completely optional. In Europe you have no choice because its always on the check, however it isn't up for argument.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965684</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965684" />
    <title>Comment from Oranges w/ Cheese on the move on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oranges w/ Cheese on the move</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16965628" rel="nofollow">Elcheecho</a>: Exactly.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965673</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965673" />
    <title>Comment from Telekinesis123 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Telekinesis123</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>What law did they charge them with?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965631</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965631" />
    <title>Comment from 2 replies on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>2 replies</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>Tag Win.<br />
"It's Not Really A Tip, Then, Is It?"<br />
Pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>And I'd continue with that since it's not really a tip/gratuity, but more of a 'service charge' then couldn't it be argued that these restaurants are engaging in false-advertising?</p>
]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965628</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965628" />
    <title>Comment from Elcheecho on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Elcheecho</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>this is ridiculous.  if it's not optional then it's not a tip, it's a service fee.  if it's a service fee then there should have been service.  you wouldn't pay for an empty glass if you ordered a soda.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965575</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965575" />
    <title>Comment from Enduro on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Enduro</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of people in the service industry here in Detroit and from their stories (especially tables paying in casino comps) they'd love to be able to call the cops on the "2 dollars for bad service" and "5 dollars for good service" flat tippers/no tippers.</p>
<p>However, I hardly see how this is a crime so long as they paid what was quoted on their bill.  If they had left a dime would that have been enough to satisfy the police?</p>
]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965542</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965542" />
    <title>Comment from Oranges w/ Cheese on the move on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Oranges w/ Cheese on the move</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Tip is optional. You shouldn't HAVE to tip, and you shouldn't be frickin ARRESTED for it O_o</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965486</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965486" />
    <title>Comment from rpm773 on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>rpm773</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>Looks like the establishment has been sent to Yelp hell, with a large number of 1-star reviews popping on there today.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965350</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965350" />
    <title>Comment from heismanpat on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>heismanpat</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>I find it odd that this is considered a criminal rather than a civil matter.  I guess the menu/receipt said a tip is automatically added to the bill, but still....</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16965235</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16965235" />
    <title>Comment from El_Fez on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>El_Fez</name>
        <uri>http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyjcase/</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyjcase/">
        <![CDATA[<p>Oh, no - they SHOULD have left a tip: one dime. That way you make your displeasure known, ensure that you just didn't skip out on leaving a tip and get the point home about shitty service.</p>
<p>Brilliant!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629-comment:16961953</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:consumerist.com,2009://1.5408629" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/college-students-arrested-for-refusing-to-pay-tip.html#c16961953" />
    <title>Comment from Kimaroo - 100% Pure Natural Kitteh on 2009-11-23</title>
    <author>
        <name>Kimaroo - 100% Pure Natural Kitteh</name>
        <uri>http://twitter.com/kimmishkim</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://twitter.com/kimmishkim">
        <![CDATA[<p>I hate the mandatory tipping custom we have here in the US. It really isn't optional anymore even though it should be. Why can't wait staff be paid a decent wage and then tips actually be something given for good service like it should be? I hate to be one of "those people" but they seem to manage it in other countries, like Australia. Why not here, too?</p>

<p>Them being arrested for this is completely ridiculous. I realise that it said that it would be added to the bill, but it sounds like they didn't even receive any service at all. I'm surprised that the police officer actually arrested them.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-23T22:31:19Z</published>
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