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    <published>2009-11-16T20:30:49Z</published>
    <updated>2009-11-17T03:22:06Z</updated>
    <title>Ally Bank Debits Account Before Customer Verifies That It&apos;s Hers</title>
    <summary>--&gt;Sometimes a company verifies that a bank account by making a couple of small deposits in it, then asking you to report back the deposit amounts. Don&apos;t rely on that verification process to block any activity in the meantime, though. That&apos;s what Suzette did with Ally bank, and she ended up with a $35 stop payment fee from her own bank.</summary>
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      <![CDATA[<p><!--<img src="http://consumerist.com/images/consumerist/2009/11/111609-001-ally-bank-logo.jpg" width="160" height="160" class="left" />-->Sometimes a company verifies that a bank account by making a couple of small deposits in it, then asking you to report back the deposit amounts. Don't rely on that verification process to block any activity in the meantime, though. That's what Suzette did with <a class="autolink" title="Click here to read more posts tagged #allybank" title="Click here to read more posts tagged #allybank" href="http://consumerist.com/tag/allybank/">Ally bank</a>, and she ended up with a $35 stop payment fee from her own bank.</p>
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      <![CDATA[<p>Here's her story: </p>
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<p>I recently decided to open an online savings account with Ally Bank. Seemed simple enough to open but I made a mistake when putting in the account number to withdraw the initial funds from. I used my checking account rather than the savings account.</p>
<p>Luckily, I discovered this right away and went back in to Ally Bank online to remove the checking and add the savings account.  I figured that there should be no problem, as they verify your account by making two small deposits. You then verify the amounts so they know that it is the correct account. According to them, this would take 3 – 5 days.  My thinking was that when I did not verify the amounts, they would know that it was not the correct account, and would therefore not attempt to withdraw the money. </p>
<p>As it turns out, they did indeed make the two small deposits <u>followed immediately by a withdrawal of $4000</u>. This was on Thursday 11/5. On Friday, 11/6, my regular bank called me. They informed me that there was a large withdrawal ($4k) from my account and since I was a good longtime customer they wanted to see what they should do since my OD protection limit is $2500. I explained to the bank what happened and she suggested that the check be returned or else Ally would continue to attempt the withdrawal. Made sense to me so I asked her to please return the withdrawal. A few hours later, I looked at my bank account and saw the withdrawal plus 4 NSF fees, which my bank did reverse.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, I called Ally to let them know what happened and asked why they did the withdrawal right away. They could not sufficiently explain this to me. Something about how some customers want to have their withdrawals available immediately.  Now they don't know me, have never done business with me. I could have used anybody's account and they would go right ahead and withdraw money on my say-so? This makes no sense. The lady at Ally said that she would take care of making sure my checking account was removed and verified that I wanted the withdrawal to come from my savings. </p>
<p>On Monday, 11/9, I see that my bank has now charged me $35 to return the item to Ally. I called them to explain yet again the issue and how Ally just went ahead and made that withdrawal without even verifying that was my account. The bank said it was a valid charge and they would not refund that to me since it was Ally's mistake. OK, I figured that they did reverse the 4 NSF fees ($35 each) and it really wasn't their fault. So I called Ally, explained the situation again and asked them to refund me the $35.  They refused.</p>
<p>I admit that I made the mistake of putting in my checking account number rather than my savings. In my defense, I did not think that they would actually try to withdraw that money without first verifying that it was my account. Should this cost me $35? Should I attempt an EECB? If so, do you have the info for Ally Bank?</p></blockquote>
<p>In hindsight it's easy to say that Suzette should have contacted Ally immediately to correct the problem instead of assuming it would resolve itself as long as she didn't complete the verification process, but honestly I would have probably made the same mistake. Like Suzette, I always assumed any linked bank account was off limits until you followed through on your side of the verification process, and apparently that's not the case. I asked an Ally rep how verification worked and got a response similar to Suzette's: "During your initial funding of your account we allow an unverified transfer to be processed to speed up the funding of the account, as well as to make sure that you receive the current rates."</p>
<p>I don't know what sort of information was disclosed to you when you set up the transfer, Suzette&mdash;if there was some indication that it would happen immediately, as a separate activity from your verification, then I'd put this down as an expensive lesson (although hopefully one the rest of us can learn from). But if you think Ally should have made the process clearer, you can write them a letter. I would focus on the fact that you didn't know the transfer would happen immediately (again, assuming that's the truth). Remember that since it's your other bank that charged you the $35, you may find it hard to get anything out of Ally, but it doesn't hurt to ask.</p>
<p>Here's the physical address I found for Ally; you may have better luck getting a thoughtful response from here than from the online customer service email form.</p>
<div style="margin-left: 80px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 15px 15px 18px 15px; background-color: #fff; width: 450px;">
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=ally+bank"><b>Ally Bank (formerly GMAC Bank)</b></a><br />
6985 Union Park Ctr <a href="http://consumerist.com/tag/435/" class="posthashtag">#435</a><br />
Midvale UT 84047<br />
801-790-5070 or 801-790-5000</p>
<p>President and CEO: Mark B. Hales<br />
Chief Marketing Officer, GMAC Financial Services: Sanjay Gupta</p></div>
<p>On a tangentially related note, I want to mention that Ally's customer service was one of the best online chat experiences I've had with a company. The CSR who helped me appeared almost immediately, his reponses were well-written and came quickly, and there was none of that insulting and infuriating nonsense where the CSR repeats your phrases back to you, or stalls for time by telling you he will be happy to help you with that over and over. I also noticed Ally lists the current call wait time at the top of every page on its website. None of this has anything to do with Suzette's problem, but I just feel it's worth pointing out when a company offers good customer service response time and transparency.</p>
<p><b>Update:</b> Suzette wrote back: </p>
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<p>Within minutes of you posting my story, I received a call from Ally Bank's Executive resolution department.   In addition to emailing you, I had also figured out the emails of several executives at Ally and emailed them.  The lady I spoke to was very apologetic and explained that apparently there is somewhere on their online form to have the funds immediately withdrawn from the account.  I do not recall this at all and maintain that even if that is the case, what would have happened if I had put in someone else's account number by mistake?  This seems very unsafe.  In any case, my complaint was not the first and they are taking steps to fix this on their online form.  They are also refunding me the $35 return item fee.  Thank you so much for your help!</p>
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<p><b>Update <a href="http://consumerist.com/tag/2/" class="posthashtag">#2</a>:</b> Another Ally customer, Kristie, wrote in to provide more information on the verification process. She says that when she opened an account, the "instant transaction" that funds the account and the link verification that connects other accounts happen at different stages: </p>
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<p>Suzette raised the question of what would happen if she used someone else's account number by mistake. I thought I would answer the question since it happened to me.</p>
<p>I opened an Ally account at the end of October. Ally is right in that somewhere in the application process, it does tell you that they will deduct the initial funding money right away. After that process you then have the option to link external accounts - not before. It's two separate processes.</p>
<p>To answer Suzette's question, I transposed two numbers of my bank account. Ally requested the money from Bank of America, and it was initially "funded." Kind of like when you deposit a check, it's there, but it's not REALLY there for awhile. Bank of America then denied the transaction because the account information didn't match up. An Ally CSR called me to let me know and I fixed my account information over the phone. The second time it went through without a hitch. I had no fees, by the way.</p>
<p>There were disclosures about their processes, but they may not have been as clear as they could be. They're there somewhere because I know I read them! There are also checks within all banks to make sure that the account matches the name and information of the customer.</p></blockquote>
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    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16903332</id>
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    <title>Comment from dilbert69 on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850421" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: If the verification process exists for no reason, why does it exist at all? This behavior is inexcusable, and it's made me rethink opening an account with Ally.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:53:12Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from pat_trick on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16857930" rel="nofollow">morlo</a>: Hahaha, no, I'm complaining because it also overdrew my account.  Fortunately I bank with a credit union and had sufficient funds in my savings, so they did supply the funds, and dinged me all of $1 for the trouble.</p>
<p>Lesson of the story:  Bank with Credit Unions.  They tend not to have crazy fees.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:54Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Bungus Aurelius on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16851482" rel="nofollow">savvy999</a>: FWIW, eTrade isn't online only - they have a handful of branches where you can deposit checks, etc.  As to your question, I have a savings account with Ally and have had no problems moving money in and out.  IIRC, the verification process was for moving money out - you can move money in with your first transfer unverified (as the OP did accidentally), but to get money out you need to verify the account you're moving it to.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:50Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from sprocket79 on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850994" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: I actually did that. I transposed 2 numbers. My bank denied the transaction and Ally called me.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:49Z</published>
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    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16860934</id>
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    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I don't get it. We have a company - <i>a bank</i> that has good customer service and transfers our money when we request it without holding it or doing any other sort of shenanigans. Yet we are blasting them for what imho and in theirs is a customer centric policy.</p>
<p>What next, they change their policy and somebody writes in because they took too long to verify the transfer and the interest rates on their CD went down??</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:48Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from sprocket79 on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16858134" rel="nofollow">morlo</a>: Better than eTrade, which just went down like a rock. :)</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:47Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from Sudonum on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850527" rel="nofollow">tamaracks</a>: <br />
Yeah, when I set up my Schwab account they wouldn't let you transfer any amount until the verification process was complete.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:46Z</published>
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    <title>Comment from morlo on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16855816" rel="nofollow">sprocket79</a>: That was a little anomaly. The rate dipped down from 1.7% to 1.55 (the same as the MM rate, which the savings is supposed to exceed) for 10 days before going back up--but not all the way back up--to 1.64%</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from morlo on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16855384" rel="nofollow">pat_trick</a>: You're complaining because you started earning interest on your CD sooner? Send it all to me, and I'll be happy to open a CD for you in 50 years.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from redrolla on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It used to be GMAC, that explains everything.  GMAC was horrible!!!  They also own the rip-off mortgage company Ditech, enough said.</p>
<p>When I worked for a mortgage broker, GMAC was the worst bank to deal with.  They screwed a couple of our borrower and brokers.  Finally, we refused to do business with them.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from sprocket79 on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16855758" rel="nofollow">sprocket79</a>: Oh and since I opened my account, the interest rate has increased from 1.55% to 1.64%. Meanwhile, my old eTrade account is still at .5%.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from sprocket79 on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I opened an Ally account at the end of October. I don't remember the whole process of opening your account, but I definitely knew that the initial funding was immediate and the linking of accounts is a separate process. She probably didn't read the fine print. My withdrawal came before the verification process.</p>
<p>I actually had an issue too - I transposed two numbers and it was denied. Someone from Ally called me up and told me what happened and we fixed it over the phone. It was very courteous and fast. I highly recommend them. They have great customer service.</p>
<p>BTW - the two times I called and the one time I chatted with them I found that their agents are American and English is their first language. (I actually don't have a problem understanding outsourced agents, but many people do, so I thought I would point it out as a plus.)</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from pat_trick on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This exact same thing happened to me earlier this week.  I decided to open a CD with Ally Bank, and thought that they would first verify the minute deposits (much like ING Direct does) before making a withdrawal.</p>
<p>Imagine my surprise when the amount was immediately withdrawn.  It's a good thing that I keep an eye on my accounts.  I contacted Ally the same day, and also got a song a dance about how "we make the withdrawal immediately in order to assure current market rates".  I asked the customer service rep whether they worry about making withdrawals from an account before verifying that it is the correct account, and she couldn't provide a straightforward answer.  I again asked if this is how Ally does business, and she insisted that it's to the benefit of the customer.</p>
<p>All I see is a bank desperate to get funds into their hands.</p>
<p>I'll be writing a letter to the above listed address as well.</p>
<p>I foresee this biting Ally in the arse really fast.</p>]]>
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    <title>Comment from wickedpixel on 2009-11-18</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850170" rel="nofollow">DeeJayQueue</a>: I would imagine that although they withdrew the money immediately, they wouldn't make it available to the customer until the account was verified.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16854624</id>
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    <title>Comment from morlo on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>morlo</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>The verification is mostly for protection against outbound transfers from Ally, since Ally is mostly interested in protecting itself and its own customers. I don't know why Suzette has a problem with Ally, since it is her checking account that requires no verification, and which is now charging an extortionate fee. Though the outcome was unclear, Suzette did make the error, and since she didn't cancel the transfer, she is on the hook for the "courtesy overdraft service" her bank generously provided.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:43Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16854148</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16854148" />
    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>pecan 3.14159265</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5405624/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers#c16851482" rel="nofollow">savvy999</a>: Technically, USAA is online-only. They have only one branch, in San Antonio. I'm a little wary with signing up for USAA because being non-military, I don't have access to all the features, the most important of which (since they have only one physical location) is depositing online.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16854107</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from pecan 3.14159265 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>pecan 3.14159265</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>Man, that Sanjay Gupta is good at so many things!</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16853753</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16853753" />
    <title>Comment from ben on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>ben</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16852264" rel="nofollow">Aaronjk</a>: Well, the $35 charge is from the OP's original bank, not Ally. So no matter what, she's on the hook for that amount.</p>
<p>Anyway, they do verify accounts. It's just that they do the withdrawal before the verification process is complete. If the account ends up not verifying, they would have to return that money.</p>
<p>It's a tough call whether or not Ally should be held responsible. On one hand, it was the customer's mistake, but on the other hand, she did try to correct it immediately and logically thought it wouldn't be an issue since she hadn't yet verified the account.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16853502</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16853502" />
    <title>Comment from savvy999 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>savvy999</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16852795" rel="nofollow">theothered</a>: @<a href="#c16851812" rel="nofollow">GearheadGeek</a>: @<a href="#c16851660" rel="nofollow">tripnman is a pizza thief</a>: Thanks for the responses</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:42Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16852795</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16852795" />
    <title>Comment from theothered on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>theothered</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16851482" rel="nofollow">savvy999</a>:</p><br />
<p>Ally is FDIC insured. Stay under the limits and you're as safe as any brick and mortar bank.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:41Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16852264</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from Aaronjk on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Aaronjk</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>Why even keep doing business with them? They didn't verify your account, I'd shut it down and tell them where they can stick the $35!</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851902</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851902" />
    <title>Comment from tripnman on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>tripnman</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850969" rel="nofollow">FatLynn</a>: Well, if they report it as interest income, I only made $0.15.</p>
<p>Should have known someone had already tried this.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851901</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851901" />
    <title>Comment from MrMan09 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>MrMan09</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850807" rel="nofollow">tripnman is a pizza thief</a>: As I remember there was a story in the last few years about a gentleman who setup a series of accounts and did just this.  He managed to amass quite a bit of money once he automated the process.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851821</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851821" />
    <title>Comment from Snockered on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Snockered</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850807" rel="nofollow">tripnman is a pizza thief</a>: It's been done:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/05/man-allegedly-b/" rel="nofollow">[www.wired.com]</a></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851812</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851812" />
    <title>Comment from GearheadGeek on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>GearheadGeek</name>
        <uri>http://ghgsatx.blogspot.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://ghgsatx.blogspot.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16851482" rel="nofollow">savvy999</a>: I have been had some accounts with Ally for about 6 months and so far have no complaints.  I didn't have this verification SNAFU when I created my account, but I don't remember if I scheduled a big transfer before the verification or not.  (I expected things to drag on during the verification as they did years ago when I set up my ING account.)  Ally's rates are relatively good, and since I unfortunately don't have huge piles of money I'm well within the FDIC-guaranteed amounts so I'm not very worried about their long-term viability.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851769</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from AustinTXProgrammer on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>AustinTXProgrammer</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850969" rel="nofollow">FatLynn</a>: @<a href="#c16850807" rel="nofollow">tripnman is a pizza thief</a>: Google enough and you will find someone convicted of using an automated program to do this for over $100k.  I think they got him on unaithorized use (hacking) because of the tos.</p>
<p>Sorry, too lazy to find</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851730</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851730" />
    <title>Comment from econobiker on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>econobiker</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5405624/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers#c16850421" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: As others said, I am seeing way to much potential for fraud with the bank's method. Just look at the Nigerian 419 crowd and now the "payment processing job" crowd for examples of how this method of unverified money transfer could be a boon to the criminal eliment...</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851660</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from tripnman on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>tripnman</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="n/a">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16851482" rel="nofollow">savvy999</a>: I currently have an online savings account and a few laddered CDs with them and have had no issues at all. They do have some of the best rates out there, so I'm slowly siphoning off dollars from by BoA accounts and dropping them with Ally. If you didn't know - Ally was GMAC Bank, they changed their name when the auto companies received their bail outs.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851550</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>CompyPaq</name>
        <uri>http://facebash.com</uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="http://facebash.com">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850841" rel="nofollow">acvicari</a>: Through the Electronic Funds Transferring system, a business can debit money from a bank account through other means without verification. Many places do it when you give them checks, many gyms do it when you sign up for auto-pay. Ally is protecting themselves by requiring the verification because the law doesn't. The law only requires that a customer be informed that their account will be debited, and the bank is on the hook if the debit is incorrect.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851482</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from savvy999 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>savvy999</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>Looking for serious responses here-- is Ally legit? I'm *incredibly* wary of dropping cash in online-only banks (did so with eTrade, that was a mistake), does any one have any argument for/against opening some CDs at Ally?</p>
<p>Their rates are some of the best right now.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:40Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851388</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html#c16851388" />
    <title>Comment from wrjohnston91283 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>wrjohnston91283</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="http://consumerist.com/5405624/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers#c16850994" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>:</p><br />
<p>That's not what happened here - the OP entered the correct number, and authorized Ally to debit her account. The verification is more for Ally's protection - if the OP DID put someone else's number, Ally would be on the hook and have to repay the back.</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851384</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from AustinTXProgrammer on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>AustinTXProgrammer</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>My credit union allows me to link external accounts.  Their verify process both deposits and WITHDRAWS small amounts!  They make you acknoledge this in a disclaimer, but what if someone mistyped someone else's already overdrawn account?  The deposits wouldn't cover the withdrawls if the balance were negative resulting in overdrafts!  If they really don't want to give the money away why not just deduct $1 from my checking and credit the difference of the small amounts after verification is complete?</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16851037</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16850994" rel="nofollow">Difdi</a>: Sorry for the typos, I'm not used to this laptop keyboard yet...</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850994</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from Difdi on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>Difdi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p><p>@<a href="#c16850421" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: Anld whatd if the OP had made a slightly greater error in typing in her account number, and entered someone else's account number? Would what Ally did still be ok with you?</p></p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850969</id>
    <thr:in-reply-to ref="tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624" type="text/html" href="http://consumerist.com/2009/11/ally-bank-debits-account-before-customer-verifies-that-its-hers.html"/>
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    <title>Comment from FatLynn on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>FatLynn</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
    <content type="html" xml:lang="en" xml:base="">
        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850807" rel="nofollow">tripnman is a pizza thief</a>: Yes, you got a free quarter.</p>]]>
    </content>
    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
  </entry>

  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850956</id>
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    <title>Comment from FatLynn on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>FatLynn</name>
        <uri></uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850421" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>: What Ally did wrong was take money from an unverified bank account.  What if the OP had put in a number for someone else's account?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
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    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850841</id>
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    <title>Comment from AnthonyC on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>AnthonyC</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#c16850421" rel="nofollow">CompyPaq</a>:</p>
<p>Suppose I owned a business where I frequently received payment in the form of checks. I now have the checking account numbers of a great many people. If Ally allows linked accounts to be accessed without verification that I own the linked account, I can now commit fraud quite easily.</p>
<p>It seems reasonable to assume that someone at Ally has thought of this, and therefore they would have security measures to prevent such fraud. That, presumably, is why the verification process exists. It is for this reason the OP assumed that no money would be withdrawn without her verifying that she owned the account; it is a reasonable assumption unless she was notified otherwise (we don't know if she was or wasn't).</p>
<p>Either way, Ally is doing something that exposes the customers of other banks to fraud.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850807</id>
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    <title>Comment from tripnman on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>tripnman</name>
        <uri>n/a</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What I'm curious about is the "small amount" that they transfer to verify the accounts. I just went through this with them in reverse (moving money from an Ally account to my local bank) and they did put through two small deposits first that added up to $0.25. They were not reversed, nor did the money come out of my Ally account. Does that mean a bank just GAVE me $0.25? Hmmm... If you rinse and repeat this verification process, can you make real money at this? ;0</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:39Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850527</id>
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    <title>Comment from tamaracks on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>tamaracks</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This only confirms my habit of only making a small transfer during set up of online accounts, and then moving over the large amount once I'm convinced everything's set up.</p>
<p>It is rather scary that they would take money before verification though. What if you had accidentally (or on purpose) entered some other user's account number? I wonder if they verify the name on the account or anything like that.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850421</id>
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    <title>Comment from CompyPaq on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>CompyPaq</name>
        <uri>http://facebash.com</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this case I don't see what Ally did wrong. The OP misentered her account number and didn't do anything to correct it. I think that it is a plus that Ally allows the quick transfer because people want access to their money quickly. The OP's bank was right for catching the mistake and fixing things on their end, but in this case I think the OP deserved the fee (I don't think that anyone really deserves fees)</p>
<p>In terms of the support, I had questions about interest rates so I live chatted them and the rep was quick, polite, and knowledgeable even though my questions were a little obscure.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850358</id>
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    <title>Comment from lmarconi on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>lmarconi</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Even if they do have pleasant customer service, I'm not sure I would continue opening the account after this fiasco. ING perhaps? I've been happy with them.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850298</id>
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    <title>Comment from SacraBos on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>SacraBos</name>
        <uri>http://www.sacrabos.com</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Is there any way I can get my bank to explicitly deny any funds transfer from Ally Bank?  If they'll do a large transfer like that from my unverified account, that's a huge fraud potential.  Simple open up an account, "verify" checking account, and then transfer some money, and then withdraw it.  Rinse, wring, repeat with another random bank account.</p>
<p>Are the funds the withdraw without verification held until the verification occurs?  If the verification does not occur within a specified time frame, are the funds returned?</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850289</id>
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    <title>Comment from AllanG54 on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>AllanG54</name>
        <uri></uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ally needs lots of deposits because they're the ones funding your new car purchase at any General Motors dealer. If I'm not mistaken, they're also the captive finance company for Chrysler now too.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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  <entry>
    <id>tag:beta.consumerist.com,2009://1.5405624-comment:16850170</id>
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    <title>Comment from DeeJayQueue on 2009-11-18</title>
    <author>
        <name>DeeJayQueue</name>
        <uri>http://</uri>
    </author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>what's the point of verifying the account if they're going to allow transactions on it anyway?  What if she never verified the amounts?  Would they continue to draw money?  I have a feeling they would, since they tried to like 5 times.</p>]]>
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    <published>2009-11-18T21:52:38Z</published>
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