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El_Fez
October 2, 2009 9:04 PM
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Lets see - fired at the beginning of July, six months of dead time. . . looks like it'll be a merry Christmas for me. Woo hoo!

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ryno365
October 2, 2009 9:06 PM
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Probably not the best time to graduate college.

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Nicole
October 2, 2009 9:30 PM
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@ryno365: I can vouch for that. I graduated in May and still don't have a job in my field, which is graphic design. Luckily, I have a crappy retail job that pays the rent and I can do freelance design jobs while I look for a \"real job.\", but everyone else I graduated with is having the same problem. It sucks.

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reishka
October 2, 2009 9:13 PM
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@ryno365: Yeah, it's horrible for a lot of kids - my spouse graduated earlier this year and it's been awful for him trying to find a job. Luckily, he can substitute teach, but with the educational sector over here shrinking like there's no tomorrow things aren't looking up for him for next year. I'm tempted to go back to school for 4 years just to wait out this mess. Only issue is if I do go back to school, I'm going to have to compete with everyone else that thought it was a good idea to go back to school. You can't really win either way.

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kelbear
October 2, 2009 9:31 PM
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Yeah, this is where I'm at right now. I went back to school to start a new career, and now everyone in the program is out looking for internships/jobs. The program had a 90% full-time hire rate for it's graduates, but this year the program has twice as many people in it, while the companies hiring out of it have slashed their hiring quota since they've all been laying people off!

Kind of wish I had stayed in my old job so that I wouldn't be graduating into a recession. Even if I do somehow land a job, my starting pay will be far worse, so even after the recession it'll take a long time to catch up to where I should be after graduating.

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reishka
October 2, 2009 9:11 PM
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@ryno365: @El_Fez: Laid off last November, almost a year of dead time... It's a fantastic Christmas here, too, just like last year!

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nybiker
October 4, 2009 4:27 AM
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@reishka: Yeah, mine came on Jan 1, 2009. We knew it was coming so it wasn't like I went hog wild at Christmas time. And as I am still 'between jobs' the holiday season isn't looking to be too good this year either (of course, I have hope & dreams to keep me from thinking too much about the downside).

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gStein_*|bringing starpipe back|*
October 2, 2009 9:06 PM
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2 months so far.

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pgh9fan1
October 2, 2009 9:09 PM
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Great. I just got laid off today.

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Technick
October 3, 2009 5:11 PM
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@pgh9fan1: Wow, that sucks. I was laid off in April and I am just now getting back to work. These figures are pretty spot on.

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Audiyoda
October 2, 2009 9:22 PM
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Going on 26 months...

Yeah, 26. A couple short-term part-time gigs in there, but otherwise 26 f'n months.

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ElizabethD
October 4, 2009 3:12 AM
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@Audiyoda:

Sorry to tell you that it was TWO YEARS for my husband. We were \"this close\" (holds fingers close together) to losing our house. Good luck to you.... The economy is a devil.

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socalrob of the 24 and a half century
October 3, 2009 2:11 AM
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@Audiyoda:
Lets see, I worked a short term gig from june to mid july 2007, then was out of work until november 2008, which only lasted until march 2009, and still unemployed.


Reasons: My field (computers) took a shit here in california. I was told I was over qualified for the jobs I originally did, and unfortunately underqualified for available positions. My school lied to me (a real college not a private school) about jobs being available so I'm S.O.L.


I feel your pain man.

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Slave For Turtles
October 2, 2009 9:25 PM
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I don't know anyone who was laid off last year who has found a job YET. Scares the crap out of me. I try to be supportive (as in giving money to help with bills), but if things go south for me, who's going to help me out?

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ElizabethD
October 4, 2009 3:13 AM
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@Slave For Turtles:

It's really terrible. I better understand now why my parents were so nitpickingly frugal about everything: they lived through the Great Depression.

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Nicole
October 2, 2009 9:31 PM
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This actually makes me feel a little better about my job search. I am employed, but I also graduated college in may and have yet to get a full-time job in my field. So, according to this, I've got one more month before despair should be setting in!

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swilk
October 2, 2009 9:32 PM
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I found a new job about 45 minutes after I was laid off. My wife quit her job voluntarily and found a new job a week or so later. We work in completely different industries btw.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you did get laid off don't get too down about it...it's not always that bad. Don't let statistics like these lead beget a defeatist mindset...therein the problem really lies.

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cowboyesfan
October 3, 2009 3:59 PM
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The Feds \"Birth-Death\" Model actually added 300,000 jobs. The number of jobs lost in September should have been in the 500k+ range.

the Birth-Death Model mathematically figures out how many jobs were created that would not otherwise show up any statistics. Many people believe this is very inaccurate.

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TechnoDestructo
October 2, 2009 11:48 PM
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@swilk:

Okay, that just means you cancelled out one guy who took a year to find a job.

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AgamemnonV1
October 2, 2009 10:10 PM
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@swilk: Really? I thought the problem lied within the oxymoron of job hiring: \"only hiring experience.\" How does one get a job when they have no experience then? And THEREIN lies the real problem. I'm 20. I have virtually no job experience. I'm still working on a degree. All those \"teen\" jobs or starter positions? They're being taken up by people who lost their jobs--people with extensive work experience and people with degrees. Heck, this is Florida too, so when some retired fogey feels bored, he applies at the local McDonald's as well, despite that he doesn't need the paycheck.

Doesn't mean I don't go into places where they aren't hiring and drop applications. That's mainly what my job consists of every day; dropping off applications where they aren't hiring. If someone is hiring, the only thing I qualify for is some starter position with no previous experience necessary. Just my luck that everyone ELSE also qualifies for that job too. I once went to a job fair, came ten minutes into it after it started and the table that was advertising a starter position didn't have any applications left. They said they came with 200 applications.

Whoohoo 12% Florida unemployment. Yeah, some people are trying to just keep their lives going--I can't even start mine.

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tekiebelu
October 4, 2009 5:35 AM
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@AgamemnonV1:
sounds like you may be in a good position to relocate to where the jobs are. TX maybe? You've got options; even if they aren't the greatest. The best time to pick-a-state-any-state is when you haven't gotten your life started yet. Good luck & don't lose hope!

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Orv
October 2, 2009 10:14 PM
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@AgamemnonV1: It cuts the other way, too. I've known experienced professionals who were unemployed and were looking for a retail job just to make ends meet, and were turned down because they were \"overqualified.\"

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TechnoDestructo
October 2, 2009 11:46 PM
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@Orv:

I applied to a couple dozen such jobs and never heard back from any of them. I think it's because they're afraid you won't stay long, and they want to keep turnover down. At least, that's the only possible reason I can think of that makes sense.

Except, at most such places, they already aren't keeping people for more than a couple months. It's not like a PhD is going to be any worse about that than a high school kid or an ex con.

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henrygates
October 2, 2009 10:54 PM
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@Orv: Same here. Just remove college and high end jobs from your resume. That's how I landed a retail job.

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Orv
October 2, 2009 11:22 PM
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@henrygates: Kinda sucks that they force you to lie, though.

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TechnoDestructo
October 2, 2009 11:48 PM
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@Audiyoda:

That was me, until I realized I'd never find another job unless I go to grad school.

Or have you not educated yourself into a corner?

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ModernTenshi04
October 2, 2009 9:50 PM
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I was laid off January 14th of this year, and didn't land my current job until mid-July, started July 20. There was a short three week thing that didn't pan out, but I this was in mid to late March, right after the stock market hit rock bottom, so I think they were simply afraid they couldn't afford to keep me and nipped things in the bud early.

But yeah, six months. Sucked, started going insane after about 3, but you just need to work through it, keep sending out those resumes.

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Mr.Duke
October 2, 2009 9:55 PM
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Or it will take only 1 day to start your own business.

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henrygates
October 2, 2009 10:56 PM
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@Mr.Duke: It's not as easy as it looks. With the downed economy, businesses are cutting costs, so depending on what kind of service you are offering, it can be hard to find customers. That said, my business would be a great side job if I had a regular 9-5 also. It's good money for the work I put into it, but there just isn't enough work.

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TechnoDestructo
October 4, 2009 6:37 AM
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@henrygates:

Things are going great for them, so everyone else must just not be pulling hard enough on their bootstraps.

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Orv
October 2, 2009 9:57 PM
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@Mr.Duke: Yeah, but most small business start-ups take a year or more to start making a profit. So unless you have a years' worth of living expenses socked away, that may not be the best way to go.

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ct_price
October 2, 2009 10:45 PM
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@Orv: I started a business in advance of possible layoffs. Now I'm considering quitting my day job to work on the side gig. Amazing was a little money, some smarts, and some risk can do.

Remember kids: success is where opportunity meets preparation. Bank that in your brain.

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AgamemnonV1
October 2, 2009 10:04 PM
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It's been 12 months for me. I guess I should take a rain check?

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frank64
October 2, 2009 10:14 PM
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Laid off since February. I lost 15 pounds and am more fit than ever! I really just started to get worried when the anticipated jobs didn't materialize in September. I am now going to look into temping and hope that leads to something permanent.

The real unemployment rate is closer 17% if you take into account those who gave up or work part time because they couldn't find anything. That kind of tells you the problem. It must mean that 1/3 or more of households are effected. Meaning money not being spent, and businesses not able to hire.

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Dacker
October 4, 2009 3:14 PM
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@frank64:


Here are real figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The effective unemployment rate for me (Oregon) is 18.4%. It really sucks for us -- but at least we're doing better than Michigan!


[data.bls.gov]

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wrjohnston19283
October 3, 2009 6:43 PM
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@frank64:

Where does 1/3 come from?

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TechnoDestructo
October 4, 2009 6:35 AM
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@wrjohnston19283:

He seems to be assuming 2 incomes per household.

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WeAre138
October 2, 2009 10:37 PM
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Was out for 1 mo. All I can say is social networking. Most of my good leads and my current job came by way of friends I worked with in past jobs. Keep current with as many as you can via IM, emails, or lunches. That way when you need to call a favor in, you won't look like your using them just for a job lead.

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dennis_k85
October 2, 2009 10:39 PM
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That's really depressing!!! I wish I didn't know that now that I am unemployed.

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locakitty
October 2, 2009 11:44 PM
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I have about 3 more weeks before I'm either visiting a plasma center or possibly having to move back cross country because I got nothing left.

Although, I quit my job voluntarily (I HATED the new boss, could not deal with him and his nepotism anymore). I almost considered going back there in a lower position, but I'm still friends with people who work there and I can't make myself do it. I've been applying to places like a madwoman lately. Monday starts the \"Ok, any job right now will do. The mall is my friend.\"

*sigh*

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Warbrain
October 2, 2009 11:54 PM
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I graduated in June, worked at my university through the summer and was given my walking papers because I was no longer enrolled on September 4th.

I got a job offer on September 30th.

I was only unemployed for ~1 month. Jobs are out there.

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HogwartsAlum
October 2, 2009 11:55 PM
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I feel bad for everybody. I have a job and I hate it but I don't dare try to leave now. I'm holding out for either:

1. New parent company to change some things for the better.
2. A roaring good book deal.
3. Santa Claus to leave me a bag full of money.
4. Publishers Clearing House.

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korybing
October 5, 2009 2:51 PM
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@HogwartsAlum: Same here. I really want to get out of this job but around here I feel like I won the job lottery, knowing all my friends who are unemployed. I don't want to leave this job until I have another one lined up, but that doesn't look to plausible at this stage.

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RandomHookup
October 4, 2009 3:41 PM
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@HogwartsAlum: You left out --


5. Get famous commenting on Consumerist.

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HogwartsAlum
October 4, 2009 7:19 PM
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@RandomHookup: Ha ha!

Or:

6. Slipping on a grape in the supermarket and sueing for a gazillion bucks.

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Geekybiker
October 3, 2009 12:11 AM
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I got an offer recently, but it will have been very nearly a year, and the new job is completely unrelated and making half as much as I used to.

Its rough out there. If I were in school, I'd be getting my Masters just to delay entry into the job market.

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h3llc4t, breaker of office dress codes
October 3, 2009 12:20 AM
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@henrygates: I did this too. I work full-time in an office and part-time in retail. To get the retail job, I included my retail experience and only mentioned in passing in the interview that I had a full-time job (never mentioned it on the resume). I didn't remove my degree though because it related to the job (zoology major in a pet supply store).

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scarlin
October 3, 2009 12:20 AM
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This month makes 1 year for me.
I've been doing some manual labor jobs here and there, but that's only paying minimum wage.

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medfordite
October 3, 2009 12:37 AM
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11 months and counting for myself. This is really a bad economy. I can usually score a job within the first or second interview, not so this time around.

We are forced to move out of where we are and downsize in rent because of the whole situation and are finding out we are not alone in this venture. We are renters and even a decent rent is out of reach anymore.

I am one of the voices you hear on the phone and talk to when you call customer service, only I am probably the friendliest ones you will find and on your side as a fellow consumerist reader. :) But...with all the outsourcing to third world countries, it is harder to land work in my field.

Off to back up plan of business ownership or school. Neither of which are friendly to unemployment benefits.

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Sinflux
October 3, 2009 12:37 AM
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@TechnoDestructo: Yeah, my boss is currently hiring, he won't even interview graduates because he thinks they'll leave in a few months.

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TechnoDestructo
October 3, 2009 1:12 AM
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@Sinflux:

How long does a typical non-graduate stay?

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Snarkysnake
October 3, 2009 12:57 AM
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Even during the best of times it can take months to find a job with all of the bullshit games that companies and their HR departments play. Job searches that are not really searches , advertising positions that they \"hope\" will be funded ,multiple interviews with people that have no power to pull the trigger... It's not hard to see why people are frustrated and confused.

I have seen companies bring in applicants just to scare their current staff . My wife is a chemical engineer. She was once called to an interview for a chemical plant that was shut down and ordered closed.(she demurred) Lots of HR drones conduct searches just to look busy. Then the same companies can't understand why their retention of employees is a problem.

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Ratty
October 3, 2009 1:11 AM
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If you're out of work now is the time to START school. The jobs will be there when you're done if they were ever there before.

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XTC46
October 3, 2009 2:53 AM
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Now is also a good time to look at other careers. I know a lot of people who compain about not having jobs, but the fact is they dont have and cant find a job they want.


You think you are worth X or are better than slinging burgers...but many people need to get over themselves.

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ElizabethD
October 4, 2009 3:19 AM
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@xtc46 - thinksmarter on twitter:

In RHode Island where we live, there are long waiting lists even for the burger-slinging, grocery cashier, and other minimum wage, low skilled jobs. Home Depot cut back on its sales staff, same with Lowes. Even jobs like bus boy and dishwasher in restaurants are very hard to come by. So, it's not always snobbery that keeps people from working such jobs. My husband (with his PhD and great resume) would gladly have worked at Home Depot, but they weren't even taking apps. Scary.

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wallspray
October 3, 2009 5:08 AM
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@xtc46 - thinksmarter on twitter: Some people can't go to \"sling burgers\". Minimum wage pays $320 a week, and thats on full time. People who had good jobs bought things on credit, which is for better or worse, how things work in this country. Things like homes to live in, and cars to drive to work, and educations to get them the good jobs. Those people might have bought a modest home and a modest car, well within their budget back when they had their good job, but now they have lost their job due to the economic situation, and $320 a week is not going to pay for those agreements they made when they had their heads above water. They have no choice but to look for a job that pays in a similar fashion to what they were doing before. It would require them to go bankrupt before they could legally abandon the repayment structure they agreed upon before being laid off, at which point they could get a burger joint job where they would not get heath care for themselves or their family.

Do you really want a nation of people going bankrupt?

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wrjohnston19283
October 3, 2009 6:46 PM
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@wallspray:

$320 is better than nothing once unemployment dries up.

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roothorick
October 3, 2009 9:36 PM
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@wrjohnston19283:

Nice thought, but we're talking -$2000 (no job) vs -$1680 (burger flipping), not nothing and $320. It's like saying if you want half a lung or no lung -- either way, you're dead.

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roothorick
October 3, 2009 9:37 PM
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@roothorick:

Blah, I screwed up my math. That should be -$2000 vs. -$720. The point still stands though.

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frodolives35
October 3, 2009 3:57 AM
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God as I watch things slow at my workplace of 20 years I feel the need to pay off my house asap. Thank god my wife just got a nice promotion with about a $900 a month raise. I think its going to the mortage. I guess no mater how broke you are a paid for home is the best security.

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seidleroni
October 3, 2009 12:45 PM
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I have to say that thankfully it was much shorter \"search time\" for me. Although I was not laid off, I started looking seriously about 2 months ago. Within the last week I got 2 job offers and accepted one. I work as an Electrical Engineer so I dont know if that has anything to do with it, but dont despair! People with useful skills are still needed everywhere.

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HeatherLynn30
October 3, 2009 3:13 PM
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Six months? I wish! My boyfriend has now been looking for 9 and hasn't even had a job interview in months. We've pretty much given up on him finding anything this year, but he's still looking. Recessions are so fun. (We're in CA, where it's extra super-fun).

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TouchMyMonkey
October 3, 2009 4:53 PM
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They think they can hold off until 2013, when President Obama suffers an even worse defeat than Carter in 1980. Then, as if by divine intervention, everybody will start hiring again.

John Galt runs Bartertown, in case you didn't already know.

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consumerd
October 3, 2009 5:01 PM
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My wife got laid off in January of this year when the flower shop closed it's doors. me I still have my job. Though I have been looking for a part-time job to pick up some extra spending money. Right now I am looking at repairing computers on the side for cash but not sure if even that is going to be paying or not. I know there is a local shop around here that is always busy all the time. I stopped by one day to pick up a fan and they had a 2 week wait from drop off to repair. I think I may attack that one next.


I have seen a few ads around town about places looking for part time computer repair help (small shops) but depending on the travel and time, it might not be worth it, or I would break even with just fuel costs.


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Gracegottcha
October 4, 2009 12:48 AM
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Luckily, my job search took less than 24 hours. Let go June second at 10:00 a.m, hired June third at 8:15 a.m. It pays to be in a business where there are absolutely not enough people trained to do the work available!

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ElizabethD
October 4, 2009 3:17 AM
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My husband took a job after 2 years of unemployment -- in another state. I see him every couple of weeks for a weekend. :-( But it's a job. Oldest son, 23, moved halfway across the country after trying for several years to find fulltime work here. All he was getting was a patchwork of parttime jobs in his field. That makes two members of our little family who have moved away... only me and one kid left at home. I won't leave my (good) job with (good) benefits, so I can't join my husband in his new location. It's a strange saga.

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Dacker
October 4, 2009 3:09 PM
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This was my 27th week :on the bench\" -- and the 3rd stretch of unemployment in 3 years. I'm lucky I'm getting another 20 weeks of unemployment via a Federal emergency program.

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wellfleet
October 4, 2009 6:06 PM
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I didn't get laid off, I got *fired* as a manager from Best Buy for trying to do the right thing for an employee. Apparently, that caused a \"disruption in the work place\". So, next time you find your local BBY just doesn't give a shit, it won't be me. I feel bad for all our customers who will find zero compassion and common sense now. On the other hand, the rash on the back of my neck is gone and my face has completely cleared up in three days of not working at that wretched store. I love the company, absolutely hated working for a dumb kid who \"retired from college\" because he thought he had nothing to learn.

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LeChiffre
October 6, 2009 2:26 PM
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@wellfleet: yep,,I feel your pain bruthaman. Same thing happened to me in automotive engineering. F'em I say.

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TruthHog
October 5, 2009 5:41 PM
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He'll learn, eventually, whether he wants to or not...@wellfleet:

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rten
October 4, 2009 6:22 PM
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Oddly, I'm glad to be laid off. I redid my budget, figuring unemployment puts me in a lower federal tax bracket, no payroll tax (Social Security/Medicare), no state/local taxes now, and the savings on gas/tolls/insurance (I drive 120 miles per day after the company relocated offices), it's a relief to be laid off... Because if you quit, unemployment doesn't pay. The company relocation added $4700 pre-tax to yearly commuting expenses which was unsustainable on top of $3600 pay cuts. I'm not slacking, I've missed 2 days in 10 years, but will be able to meet family for all the winter holidays this year. However looking for a new job will be a challenge, I have 4 unemployed friends and it's rough.

We did $5 gifts for everyone last year, except for one person who you could get a \"full gift\" for, and it worked out very well and since everyone played by the same rules, was a financial/mental relief for all.

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LeChiffre
October 6, 2009 2:23 PM
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I hope that all of you get work really soon. BTW, I was laid off in 2003 for six months from the automotive sector. I found work with the federal government. We're losing boomer's at an alarming rate of retirement and we're hiring also. \"http://www.cpol.army.mil/\" is where you would create a resume for DOD/Army jobs. \"USAJobs.com\" is similar to Monster.com for job searches, but the site that I like best is \"http://www.federaljobsearch.com/\". At this site, this is how I found my current position. You can search each state individually for specific jobs. You can also receive job postings for free in e-mails, however, you will have to pay a fee to access the details of the job, contact numbers, etc.

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