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billy
October 20, 2009 6:05 PM
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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
October 20, 2009 6:12 PM
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Wait, cast iron can explode? Since when?

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Applekid
October 20, 2009 6:30 PM
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@Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: Probably since they're made in China.
\"Distributor: Meyer Trading Co. Ltd., of Hong Kong\"

Lodge cast iron 4-eva.

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lockdog
October 21, 2009 12:24 AM
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@Applekid: I'm more of a Wagner/Griswold kind of guy, but Lodge will do in a pinch.

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jamar0303
October 21, 2009 12:19 AM
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@Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: No, no, no, this is definitely one case where \"south of the border\" is better than \"north of the border\". HK is actually pretty good for that kind of thing.

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GitEmSteveDave_NodsHisHeadLikeYeah
October 20, 2009 6:21 PM
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@Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: Also can happen if you cool it rapidly and/or drop it. Amazon is great for buying Lodge items, because of free shipping, but they occasionally have them break in shipping.

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Spaceman Bill Leah
October 20, 2009 6:15 PM
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@Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: Flaws in the pan created in the casting process? Like a fault in the earth's surface maybe? That's all I can think of.

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mythago
October 20, 2009 6:14 PM
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@Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: Metal items can crack or shatter if poorly made. See, e.g., the Liberty Bell.

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MikeHerbst
October 20, 2009 6:16 PM
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OK, this is borderline blame-the-victim territory, but those Paula Deen Cast Iron pans look to be a serious rip-off in addition to being dangerous.

According to the recall notice: Sold through: QVC's televised shopping programs, its Web site www.qvc.com, and QVC retail and employee stores from October 2007 through July 2009 for between $35 and $55.

Wow, my giant-sized American made Lodge Cast Iron pan was less than $30 at the local hardware store... The grill pan was about the same price.

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yagisencho
October 20, 2009 7:54 PM
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@MikeHerbst:


I inherited my cast iron cookware from my grandparents. Perfect tools for many cooking tasks, and they last forever.

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Blueskylaw
October 20, 2009 6:31 PM
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@MikeHerbst:


I got all of my cast iron pans for free when I used to do construction/demolition/renovation jobs when I was younger.


Nobody wanted to pay to move cast iron across the country.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 20, 2009 8:48 PM
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@Blueskylaw: yep, mine have all come from next-to-the-apartment-dumpster discards or thrift stores.

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theblackdog
October 20, 2009 7:41 PM
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@Blueskylaw: I wish my parents had not given up our cast iron pans, but after they bought a smoothtop stove they couldn't use them anymore.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 20, 2009 8:50 PM
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@theblackdog_Oktoberfest: @Oranges w/ Cheese wants it to be winter already: yes, please... i want to know too because i just bought a house with a smooth glass topped stove and i use my cast iron pans all the time. actually i leave the large one on the least used burner to act as a trivet so i can move a hot pan off the burner quickly without setting it on a cold part of the stove [which will crack the stovetop]
is there something dangerous i need to know about not using cast iron on my stove?

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theblackdog
October 21, 2009 1:55 PM
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@catastrophegirl: No, it sounds like you're using it right. I think it's the manufacturers being overly cautious because people in general will forget not to put a hot pan on the cold part of the stove, or they may accidentally drop their pan and the weight could create enough force to crack the stovetop.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 21, 2009 3:59 PM
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@theblackdog_Oktoberfest: ah, well if i drop a hot, full, cast iron pan on my stove, i have bigger problems!
my realtor is my friend and she used to have one of these stoves in her previous place - i got tons of warnings and precautionary tales from her and we went to the store so she could point out the right cleaners and scrubbies to use.
it was almost enough to make me sell the stove and buy a coil burner one until i thought about never having to clean a drip pan again!

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ChuckECheese
October 20, 2009 8:58 PM
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@catastrophegirl: The problem with cast iron on smoothtop ranges is that the cast iron can scratch the cooktop.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 20, 2009 8:59 PM
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@ChuckECheese: weird. mine certainly hasn't so far, but it's well seasoned and i don't slide it around on the stove, just lift or place. it's heavy enough to stay put while i move the food around instead

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 6:31 PM
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@MikeHerbst: Yeah, they don't seem to be very good quality. The Emeril pans are very heavy duty, though - they're so heavy that I had to give mine away because I can't even lift it very high when there isn't food in it!


I'm about to buy a Lodge pan with two handles, so I won't have to play that wobbly pan game when I lift it.


KitchenAid makes ceramic pans that are amazing to use and very pretty. I have a red one.

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HogwartsAlum
October 20, 2009 9:47 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: Off topic, but HOW do you get burnt stuff off a ceramic pan? I can't do it! I've tried everything! >(

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katia802
October 21, 2009 6:42 PM
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@HogwartsAlum: the method i've always used is to put about 1 cup of salt, 1/4 cup of dish soap and 3 cups of water into the pan. Boil it on the stovetop, and gently scrape the burned parts with a WOODEN spoon or spatula. It's worked for me 99 percent of the time.

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pecan 3.14159265
October 21, 2009 1:53 PM
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@HogwartsAlum: Soak it in hot water with some dish soap. That's what I do.

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BytheSea
October 21, 2009 7:02 AM
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@HogwartsAlum: Have you tried soaking it with a paste of baking soda and water?

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yagisencho
October 20, 2009 11:43 PM
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@HogwartsAlum:


You've probably tried this then already. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing:


[www.amazon.com]

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HogwartsAlum
October 21, 2009 7:33 PM
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@yagisencho: If katia's hint below doesn't work, I will try that too.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions!

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princesspineisendangered
October 20, 2009 6:23 PM
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: @MikeHerbst: They Paula Deen pans on clearance at a local Ollie's and they were so light and cheaply made. Probably not from the QVC collection but I do detect a pattern of awfulness.

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tbax929
October 20, 2009 6:23 PM
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@MikeHerbst:
Yeah, I think I paid $30 for my cast iron pan.

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Kimaroo - 100% Pure Natural Kitteh
October 20, 2009 6:25 PM
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Oohh no.. Not Paula Deen! I love her because she reminds me of one of my great aunts.


I guess it's much like anything with a celeb endorsement, her name is on it but I doubt she has anything to do with the manufacturing process.

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bobloblawsblog
October 20, 2009 6:41 PM
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@Kimaroo - No Stars Upon Thars: WHHA?!?! DAMMIT. i thought she'd be back there in the factory, forging each one by hand :(

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 6:32 PM
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@Kimaroo - No Stars Upon Thars: I hate, hate, hate Paula Deen with a passion. Her accent grates on my nerves. My deep South MIL tells me that Deen's accent is slightly exaggerated.

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SybilDisobedience
October 20, 2009 7:59 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: I wouldn't say I HATE Paula Deen, but I strongly dislike her. Her Southern accent does seem to be exaggerated, and she comes off phony in general. Of course, most TV chefs do. I know her persona pays the bills, so I can't judge her too harshly.

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ChuckECheese
October 20, 2009 7:55 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: Slightly exaggerated as only a mercury-haired histrionic southern jezebel can! Just wondering: Anybody remember Nathalie Dupree from the earlier days of Food Network? I frequently had the impression she was hopped up on goofballs during her shows.

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mysterylodge
October 20, 2009 8:24 PM
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@ChuckECheese: I agree with your goofball assessment. When I was 13 or 14, I was watching a Nathalie Dupree episode where she set her oven mitts on fire.

Good times!

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feralparakeet
October 20, 2009 6:29 PM
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Cast iron should never, ever, EVER shatter. At first I saw that the recall was for the possibility of burning and said to myself, 'well duh, if you grab it without a potholder of course you're going to get burned' (I got 2nd degree burns down the palm of my hand in high school while making cornbread, ow).

But really, shattering? That's just ridiculous.

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webweazel
October 20, 2009 8:40 PM
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@feralparakeet: I have had one of my 12 inch cast irons from a set crack down the side recently while cooking. Nice BANG. I think it might be due to a defect in the metal from when it was poured. I don't think they can SHATTER into little pieces, though, just crack.


I did take it to the local metal recycler, rather than throwing it away.


As for burning oneself, there are some nice leather handle covers that you can buy which help you to move the pan without potholders, and if it's still a bit toasty, gives a better grip UNDER an additional potholder.

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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
October 20, 2009 7:49 PM
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@feralparakeet: Look at the pictures, they look almost like they're made of plastic. Plus, they're made in China. I'm sure that has something to do with it. I'd be more afraid that some weird chemicals would leech into my food though.

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billy
October 20, 2009 6:39 PM
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@feralparakeet: It shouldn't, but it does. There are explanations why upthread. From the article:

QVC and Meyer Trading have received 79 reports of the cookware cracking or shattering while heated. One consumer reported a minor burn injury to an arm.

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floraposte
October 20, 2009 6:47 PM
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@billy: I was startled to see the number so high. Unless it's all trackable to one particular lot, that suggests quite a pile of bad iron pans.

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H3ion
October 20, 2009 6:32 PM
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It would have been more interesting if the defect in the DeVilbiss Air Power Company Pressure Washers and Air Compressors caused drowning. That would be one heck of a pressure washer.

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lordargent
October 20, 2009 6:32 PM
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Paula Deen Cast Iron Cookware Sold by QVC

Seriously? Just buy lodge, they've been making cast iron since 1896. Paula Deen was born in 1947, do the math.

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billy
October 20, 2009 7:19 PM
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@lordargent: By that logic, we should all be driving Model T Fords. I mean, they started making them in 1908. They've just got to be better than anything made today.

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yagisencho
October 20, 2009 8:03 PM
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@billy:


And how many moving parts does a cast iron pan have?


I think his point was that they've been successfully using the same formulation and founding techniques now for over a century.

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billy
October 20, 2009 8:10 PM
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@yagisencho: >>>And how many moving parts does a cast iron pan have?

It has nothing to do with moving parts. It has to do with the OP inferring that anyone making something for longer is inherently better. It's not always true.

>>>I think his point was that they've been successfully using the same formulation and founding techniques now for over a century.

Then he should have said that. On the other hand, are you actually arguing that any other company would be inferior to Lodge just b/c Lodge has been around longer?

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yagisencho
October 20, 2009 11:53 PM
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@billy:


I just found your analogy to be poor, given the technological advances in car design and manufacture over the years. Quality automobiles require precision engineering and careful assembly of thousands of manufactured parts.


Cast iron pans, on the other hand, are produced by pouring molten iron into casts. The formula and the process have changed very little over the years.


Aaaand that's all I have for today's Pendantic Hour. Be sure to tune in next time.

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billy
October 21, 2009 7:18 PM
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@yagisencho: It may not be the BEST analogy, but neither is a \"do the math\" quip. ...but on the other hand, because the formula and process for iron pans has changed very little over the years (and it's not exactly a difficult process to begin with), it seems to me that *anybody* could come in and replicate the process. Plenty of companies do it successfully, too. In other words: there's nothing really special about making iron pans. The Meyer Corporation (involved in this recall) has been making all sorts of pans for close to 40 years. I'm willing to bet that they made some good pans in the last 40 years. Paula Deen's were just a mistake.

Again, older is not always better.

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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
October 20, 2009 7:51 PM
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@billy: They get better gas mileage then MANY Fords built today.

13 city/ 21 hwy

[cbs5.com]

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EdnaLegume
October 20, 2009 7:09 PM
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@lordargent: erm... Paula Deen doesn't manufacture the pans. She only endorses the product. math not necessary.

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 6:34 PM
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@lordargent: Lodge is also a lot cheaper. Even at a place like Williams Sonoma, a cast iron pan is only $30.

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Cameraman
October 20, 2009 6:38 PM
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Truther!

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durkzilla
October 20, 2009 6:52 PM
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Any product with a celebrity's name as part of the product name should be a warning to you.

Except for my George Foreman grill. That thing rocks.

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SubzeroScientist
October 20, 2009 7:46 PM
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@durkzilla: Word. I can either put a steak on my GF and have it done perfectly in about six minutes, about nine or so for a good pork chop, or put it in my oven and have it DESTROYED in about five.

I think my oven may in fact be a gateway to Hell.

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yentaleh
October 20, 2009 6:57 PM
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I wouldn't buy anything from Paula Deen, to me she's the devil incarnate. Now if it was from Alton Brown ok. That man is awesome!

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BytheSea
October 21, 2009 7:07 AM
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@yentaleh: Notice that Alton isn't putting his name on crappy kitchen products.

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katia802
October 21, 2009 7:06 PM
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@BytheSea: He does, however, have a website, you can access it by going onto Food Network's site. Sells a lot of the cool stuff you see him using on his show, like that measuring cup with the plunger that I drool over every time I see it.

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DrGirlfriend
October 20, 2009 11:42 PM
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@yentaleh: if you haven't yet made his turkey recipe for thanksgiving, you must do so. it's involved, but it's the best turkey ever.

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webweazel
October 20, 2009 8:50 PM
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@yentaleh:
HURRAH! HURRAH! HURRAH!


We used to live in Savannah, and vendors for his job would take him to Lady & sons once in a while, and he said the food was \"lackluster\", and he's a foodie. She's riding on her personality and drawl, which is like nails on a chalkboard.


Now Alton, he has expanded my cooking horizons ten-fold over just 5 years ago. I actually see and think of things differently, and everything works better. Some of his actual recipes are not my faves, though, but his techniques and explanations are gold.

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SybilDisobedience
October 20, 2009 8:00 PM
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@yentaleh: AMERICA'S TEST KITCHEN! Those dudes are trustworthy. They only work with equipment and food products that meet their nerdily scientific standards. Love them.

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oneliketadow
October 20, 2009 7:46 PM
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@yentaleh: If I wanted to deep fry a stick of butter and make a lard dipping sauce, I'd ask Paula. Otherwise, it's Alton all the way.

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EdnaLegume
October 20, 2009 7:10 PM
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@yentaleh: +1 for Alton. His word is gospel around here.

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 7:00 PM
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@yentaleh: I also think that Alton Brown actually knows what products work. He even wrote a book specifically about kitchen products and appliances, and which ones to use for the best effect. He just plain rocks. I used this book as one of my guides as to what to put on my wedding registry.

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michigan2cv
October 20, 2009 7:06 PM
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True to both!

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 7:08 PM
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Rachel Ray's cookware is terrible as well. Cooks Illustrated put different pans and pots through their test kitchen and compared them to other products and they rated her products at the bottom of the pile. And her pots and pans were sometimes more expensive than the top picks.

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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
October 20, 2009 7:56 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: My mom and dad got me one of her frying pans recently. ITS HUGE. Plus it doesn't have a lid.

For the most part, it just stays in the bottom of my pots and pans drawer. Unless I need to make gigantic quesadillas or a huginormous omelette, its staying put.

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GreatWhiteNorth
October 20, 2009 7:28 PM
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Cast iron cookware... the cookware of Kings! Boy, do I love my heavy cast iron pans... inexpensive and guaranteed not to fill your blood with. Teflon or aluminum... Browns food best... goes from the stove top to the oven with no sissy plastic handles to melt... mmmmmmmmm I just want to go home and cook some dinner in them cast iron pans... aaaaaaaaaaargh (insert Homer drool here).

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 7:42 PM
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@GreatWhiteNorth: I wish I could actually lift a cast iron pan without hurting myself or risk hurling food across the kitchen.

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Kuchen
October 20, 2009 8:04 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: Me too. I have a cast iron dutch oven that's probably wonderful, but I have never used it because I can't get it out of the cabinet.

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 8:10 PM
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@Kuchen: I think I'm going to splurge for a Le Creuset dutch oven this year, and my plan is to just have Mr. Pi get it for me.

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pecan 3.14159265
October 20, 2009 8:11 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: \"get it for me\" as in get it out of the cabinet, not buy it for me.

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katia802
October 21, 2009 7:08 PM
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@pecan 3.14159265: My son works at a cooking supply store. LeCreuset is the top of the line in his opinin, and very high on my \"I Want\" list.

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ShruggingGalt
October 20, 2009 7:33 PM
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Isn't falling an inherent risk of sitting in a chair? I read about the \"bolts\" coming loose on the one from Office Depot, but there is nothing about who put the chair together, and if they were tightened after some use; even Ikea mentions to tighten all the bolts (assuming you haven't lost Mr. Allen Wrench) after some use....

But recalling a chair because a few people fell from it, just sounds silly. (maybe it should read: falls apart) Almost as bad as so many of the new safety warnings we've been forced to add because common sense is no longer easy to define in a courtroom. (Of course my client had no idea that Poptarts, when left unattended in a toaster, could burn a house down your honor!)

What's next:

Shun Knives (lacerations)
Stone Pavers (back injury)
etc.

(Yes, I know that if a knife were to break when used correctly, it may cause a lac, but how can a manufacturer tell when it isn't being used correctly. I had a baby safety gate that, when installed correctly, would fail if 10 lbs of pressure were applied to it..and it was marked as for top of stair use. I reported it and to my knowledge it was never recalled nor was I contacted)

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b4k4
October 20, 2009 8:14 PM
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@ShruggingGalt: I've had an Office Chair break on me. Was sitting in front of my computer, then all of a sudden I on the ground, in the chair still, looking up at the ceiling. Wasn't hurt, so it was kinda funny at the time, roommates got a kick out of it. The hydraulic lift failed to the point where it could no longer support the upper chair part on it.

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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
October 20, 2009 7:57 PM
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@ShruggingGalt: Also you'll find a lot of recalls deal with really common sense issues. Like say, removing a sticker off of the bottom of a bowl before you light a candle underneath it.

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billy
October 20, 2009 7:44 PM
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@ShruggingGalt: Falling is an inherent risk, but breaking (then falling) is not.

From the article: The chair back supports can break, posing a fall hazard to consumers.

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Batwaffel
October 20, 2009 8:47 PM
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It would be wonderful if Consumerist had a section of the site dedicated to a complete list of recalls being constantly updated so we can keep an eye out for past, present, and future products that could cause problems.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 20, 2009 9:00 PM
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i was gonna say 'wait, i thought i got the baby food recall to the tipline a few hours ago' but then i realized i could see the new image on the main page and it just hadn't updated all the way to the entry page yet....

[www.wral.com]

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
October 20, 2009 9:43 PM
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when i linked to this originally from twitter i didn't see the botulism and i had to go back and make sure i had actually sent the tip a few hours ago. [endodontist gave me hydrocodone earlier and i sent the link after i took the pill, hehe]
but then i noticed the new pic on the home page and figured it was a page update lag.

[www.wral.com]
was where i saw it and even without having kids, that just horrified me to think about.

[also thought i posted another comment on here earlier, my activity shows it but the page doesn't... site issues are seriously creepy when you are also dosed on painkillers in an already surreal day]

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Pink Puppet
October 20, 2009 11:54 PM
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Thanks Consumerist! I about fell out of my chair when I realized the chair my dad bought a few weeks ago was being recalled.

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Darkneuro
October 21, 2009 3:12 AM
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Bad QVC for tarnishing the good Ms. Paula's name. It's not Lodge, that's for sure. I'm so lucky to live near the Lodge outlet!

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meechybee
October 21, 2009 11:17 PM
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@Darkneuro: NOW I am jealous. I didn't know there was a OUTLET!!!

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BytheSea
October 21, 2009 6:55 AM
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I totally thought that plum stuff in the picture was some sort of organic lube.

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meechybee
October 21, 2009 11:16 PM
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Please people, I'll say this only once: buy ONLY cast iron cookware made in the USA.

Before all the nay-sayers begin to nay, Lodge Cookware is excellent, family-owned, pre-seasoned, made in Tennessee, and VERY reasonably-priced. [www.lodgemfg.com]

Emeril's, Paula Deen's, and just about every other brand is made in China -- of God knows what junk. Impurities in the metal will make the cookware explode at high temperatures and is not something that you can predict by examining the surface. Paula, as a down-home Southern girl, should be ashamed of herself for not using a US company and putting profits before quality.

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