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I heard the black Wii is bigger than the white one.
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@Adhominem: Once you go black you never go back, unless your black Wii breaks and all they have left is white Wii's to replace it with.
I heard the black Wii is bigger than the white one.
@Adhominem: Once you go black you never go back, unless your black Wii breaks and all they have left is white Wii's to replace it with.
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I'm kind of shocked that people are still buying these. It's possibly the least entertaining mainstream video game system ever made.
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@Lauchlin: Out here in China people buy the Wii because none of the manufacturers offer warranty support. When reports of console failure on other consoles (well, the X360; the PS3 is just unaffordable to any but the richest) is so commonplace the Wii comes out ahead by far. The fact that there are Chinese-language games for the Wii helps. Oh, and Wii Fit, not to mention Taiko no Tatsujin, Pop'n Music, and Densha de Go (these games transcend language barriers).
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@Lauchlin:
...I'm kind of shocked that people like you are still complaining about them.
The Wii is intended for a totally different market than gamer fanbois who buy PS3 and XBox 360s. Turns out there are a lot more people who *don't* want to play Halo or GTA than do.
The Wii is the only current-gen console in our house. The Xbox that came with my wife has been shelved for years now. PC does everything the XBox or PS can do, and better, and therefore there's no point in having either of those consoles.
The Wii is the only console that actually provides any additional value over the PC as a gaming platform. And it's the only one I have any interest in even playing.
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@YouDidWhatNow?: Your wife came with an Xbox? WOW! Maybe that's why I'm still single.. need to bundle up the accessories and get crackin!
@Oranges w/ Cheese is lonely: @SunnyLea:
Heh. Actually, I think technically the XBox was her ex-husband's. But hey, who's counting?
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The Wii is the only current-gen console in our house. The Xbox that came with my wife has been shelved for years now.
I'm jealous. My husband only came with a free gift ($19.95 value) that I never really use.
Wiis are far more accesible to your average person. My grandmother plays Wii, the first system she's played since the original NES. My girlfriends all play them too, although none of them would label themselves \"gamers\".
As an avid gamer, I play on an Xbox, because the Xbox Live is a better and more populated multiplayer platform. Multiplayer is what's important to me. If I cared more about the innards of the system, I would play on a PS3. And if I wanted something more family-friendly, I would get a Wii.
They each have their plusses, it just depends on what kind of gamer (or non-gamer) you are. The idea that having a preference for one makes one a \"fanboi\" (or \"fangirl\") is absurd.
As an avid gamer, I play WoW all the time, because the PC is a better and more populated multiplayer platform. Multiplayer is what's important to me. If I cared more about the innards of the system, I'd still play on the PC because it is superior to any and all consoles. And if I had a family (aside from my wife - we have no kids), we'd still use the Wii.
It would seem that a reasonable definition of a fanboi (or gurl) is a person who is compelled to make disparaging remarks about the Wii every time they get the chance to, because they simply don't like it. So knock it off, fanbois. Stop starting discussions with topics like \"I can't believe people still buy these things because they suck\" and then try to pretend you're not a fanboi. Because you proved it the moment you opened your mouth.
@YouDidWhatNow?: Wow isn't the kind of game that appeals to me. I play FPSs, and almost exclusively multiplayer. I have no interest in building and maintaining a gaming PC (and that would be much more expensive than just buying an Xbox). I prefer the ease of just plugging in the Xbox and getting straight to the killing.
My whole point was that different systems are better choices for different people, depending on what your priorities are. You seem to have found a system that fits your needs- good for you! That doesn't mean you need to be a dick to me just because my needs are different from yours.
Also, I didn't make any comments about the Wii sucking. I think it's a cool system. But my gaming dollars are limited, so I went with the system that best met my needs. Sorry if you think that makes me a \"fanboi\", I think it makes me a smart consumer.
...I should have double-addressed that note. The second paragraph was intended as a response to someone other than yourself.
The first paragraph was simply to point out that the same argument can be made in favor of something else.
Apologies for not being clearer with the 2nd paragraph.
@YouDidWhatNow?: Thanks for assuming I'm a brainless \"fanboi\" because I have a different opinion about the console, though.
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@Lauchlin: The Wii is perfect if you have a 19\" standard resolution (i.e. NON-HD) televison, if are in a retirement home, if you are a nine year-old, or if you regularly have gatherings of friends who enjoy playing videogames as a social activity.
It isn't for gamers. It's for people who enjoy Oprah and want to discover what these \"videogames\" are all about.
@eccsame: That's funny. I consider myself a gamer - the Wii is my fourth system and I've played a lot of games in my lifetime.
I'm neither a 9 year old nor a grandmother and I hate Oprah.
But I do like the Wii because it's fun in groups and at parties and I really don't enjoy first person shooters as much as enjoy some of the fun puzzle/entertainment games Nintendo offers. I was a huge N64 fan as a kid and the Wii really fills that void for me.
But I guess it's easier to generalize than to say something intelligent.
@eccsame: The Wii is perfect if you [list of stereotypes cut for brevity]. It isn't for gamers. It's for people who enjoy Oprah and want to discover what these \"videogames\" are all about.
Oh, you hit my pet peeve.
Guess what?
Anyone who enjoys playing games is a gamer. Granny who plays Wii Bowling. Jenny who's four and can't read but likes Nintendogs on her DS. Mom who can just about handle Solitaire on her computer or on Yahoo Games. Joey who plays WoW compulsively for 80+ hours a week. John and Jane next door who play Halo on the weekends. All of those and more. \"Gamer\" is a rotten misnomer that fanboys and the hardcore crowd like to use to the exclusion of reality. I hate that particular point of view and I've railed against it both as a GameStop employee (in years past) and in places like Slashdot.
(For the record, I know a lot about being excluded from that reality. I'm a very late-20s soon-to-be married full-time-working female PC gamer who also takes a DS on her commute, and we have a Wii and PS3 that get used in kind of a cyclic way.)
@eccsame:
...that's funny. I was pretty sure I was a 30-something software engineer with a BS in computer science with a 67\" TV with 7.1 surround sound who was a lifelong video game fan with the awareness of the fact that Oprah is a pox on all humanity.
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@eccsame: I agree with you and I don't think it's a bad thing. I love the fact that the games that are designed for the Wii are attractive to kids because I have kids that love them. The Wii absolutely fills that niche in the gaming world and guess what - it's very profitable!
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@veg-o-matic:
I have lots of interest in violent first-person shooter games, and it hasn't diminished my affection for the Wii.
@veg-o-matic: My criticism has nothing to do with the lack of violent games. I bought it expecting fun party games, and I got a console with a broken control system that hasn't released anything I've wanted to play in a couple of years now. I only use my Wii now to play Super Mario Bros and other NES games, which makes me feel silly for paying so much for the privilege.
And it's not just my personal experience. I actually haven't spoken to a person in real life in the last year or so who still uses their Wii even as much as I do. I guess I don't spend enough time reading about video games online.
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@Lauchlin:
I use mine every day, but it's to work out, so maybe that doesn't count. I have lost 20 pounds since I bought it, though.
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@tbax929 is back from the beach: I just got the EA Action stuff this week, and man it is so superior to the original Fit game.
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@tbax929 is back from the beach: I find playing my Wii easier when sitting straight up. Holding the remote/nunchuk tires my arms out after awhile so I play the Wii in short bursts.
I recently picked up Metroid Prime Trilogy and was really impressed at how well the controls work. Who knew the Wii could actually pull off a solid FPS like game?
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@dragonfire81: I was surprised when I bought Metroid Prime 3 back in the day. I'm not a fan of FPS games on the consoles, chiefly due to how much dual-analog controls tend to suck if you're used to playing them on a PC like I am. Metroid Prime 3 surprised me with how smooth and intuitive the controls were. It's the next best thing to a mouse and keyboard, IMO. And the game was very fun too, so that was a bonus. :P
I rarely play FPS games, except Halo (And that's mostly because my friends like it).
But I still think the Wii sucks. It took my a while, and several hours with Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Mirrors Edge on an XBOX 360 to realize just why the Wii sucks. You can't play games like that without decent controls. The Wii controls suck, period, end of story.
Although, weirdly enough, I think they *could* squeeze some life out of the GTA series by making a Wii specific GTA game, but Nintendo would never allow it. The controls, despite being shitty, could make for a very different GTA.
@shepd:
You completely missed the point of the Wii. If you want to play those kinds of games, the Wii explicitly is not for you - you are categorically not the target market.
The surprising thing is that, in one console generation, it has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the just-recognized \"casual gamer\" market is bigger than the traditional gamer market.
...and for the record, the Classic controller pretty much takes care of anyone who whines about the Wiimote's motion controls. Then again...the motion controls are one of the very most important reasons why the Wii is so attractive.
I can only think of a very short list of Wii games on the shelf that support the classic controller as the only controller used. In fact, the only one that comes to mind right now is Smash Bros., and even that I'm not sure about.
I have a LOT of Wii games sitting on the shelf because, quite frankly, they are just WAY too frustrating to play.
@shepd:
...not sure why you're limiting yourself to games that *only* support the classic controller. AFAIK, virtually all Wii games allow the classic controller to be used in lieu of motion controls.
But in any event, it would appear that you are not the target market for the Wii. The primary reason that most people buy it is because they *can* use motion controls. In other words, people who have no interest in using a traditional gamepad-type control system.
AFAIK, virtually all Wii games allow the classic controller to be used in lieu of motion controls.
This actually works?! I've never tried it, so if it will work I want to know because I'll go out and buy one (make that three or four!) of those controllers tonight.
Basically, if I can play all of Super Monkey Ball, Raving Rabbids, Wii Sports, and all the other lovely titles I've forgotten the names of with the classic controller and leave the crap-ass Wii controller sitting in my lap as a dongle and nothing else the entire time I'll be so happy!
I'm just not certain how it is going to approximate the pointing and motion aspects of the game, but anything is better than nothing!
@shepd:
...I seriously don't know why you'd bother. Above all else, the reason people buy the Wii is because of the motion control. If you're that averse to motion control, then I can't imagine you enjoying the Wii.
We bought the classic controllers for emulation games primarily...although I've tried using it for Mario Kart (maybe I'm better at it that way). I know that TW Golf you can use it for, and pretty much all racing games like ExciteTruck etc.
I can't imagine SMB, Rayman, Wii Sports, etc. being any fun at all without motion controls. What's the point?
Nahh, I love the concept. I just find the execution of it on the Wii is, well, lacking. Like 2600 gamepad type lacking. The remotes NEVER point where I want them to, or with the precision I want, and for the life of me I can't get them to sense forward/backward positioning.
The motion sensing isn't bad, but a lot of games don't seem to be able to cancel out unwanted movements. Best example: It's nearly impossible for me to do the Raving Rabbids music game because it always picks up a phantom \"beat\" on the upswing of the controller. Yet I tend to be the best of those I know at rhythm games.
Oh well, maybe Wii 2 will take care of these issues; I don't know. I know it took a while for gamepads to exit the 2600 phase and enter the NES phase. :)
@shepd:
For those wondering, this is why I believed it wouldn't work as a general purpose plays everything made for the Wii controller:
According to the Nintendo Online Shop, the Classic Controller can only be used with Virtual Console games. Specific Wii games have been designed to function with it, however.
Throw in Elebits as another game that would be better with some classic controller action. Although, again, I don't know how it will translate since the game was never designed to use anything but a Wii-mote.
@Lauchlin: Define \"entertaining.\" Dumb party games are phenomenal when you've had a couple of glasses of wine and you're watching your friend use the Wii remote to swing a cow over his head.
@Etoiles: I guess. I bought one when I came out, expecting party gaming goodness, but after a brief flirtation with Wii Sports and then that Wario Ware game, I haven't found anything that will keep anyone's attention for more than a couple of minutes.
Maybe that's just my friends and me, though.
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Oh and that little plastic box that is supposed to improve movement. Or is that already included?
I'd buy a wii if I had a gf. Its not really a one person console, and one of my friends already has one, so getting a second one in the group is rather meaningless.
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@MostlyHarmless: Well, to be realistic, if you had a girlfriend, you would no longer need a plastic box.
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@MostlyHarmless: Oh come on, you wouldn't want to do Wii yoga or Wii aerobics in your apartment alone at night?
@MostlyHarmless: Its not included, you have to buy it separately or buy it with one of the 2 games that use it. There are only 2 games that use it now and its NOT BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE with other Wii games.
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@MostlyHarmless: I think all the new Wiis include it. I may get one now...I have a PS3 but my geeky side really wants to play Star Wars with the lightsaber remote. :)
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@Lauchlin: Really? Your personal experience with it leaves you shocked that not everyone shares your views?
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@YouDidWhatNow?: I agree. My PC is my main game playing system for anything with intense graphics. My Wii though is fun to play when we have friends and family over, everyone can get into it.
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If you've already got a 360 or PS3, be prepared to be underwhelmed. I sold my Wii 4 months after I stopped playing it. It's great for non gamers, but I'd rather play the 360.
On the contrary, I am totally underwhelmed by the 360/PS3. They are not sufficientlly different than the Xbox/PS2, nor do they do anything I can't do on my PC. Therefore, I can't think of a single reason to want one.
The Wii on the other hand is innovative, differentiated from all other gaming options, and FUN. As a lifelong gamer who's been playing video games since Pong, I can affirm that the Wii, while marketed primarily to casual gamers, is also great for gamers who actually want something different. 360 and PS3 are the same as what came before. Only the Wii is new.
I agree with you completely. I have more games for my wii then I have for my 360 and ps3 combined. The main reason is that the wii offers a completely different and unique gaming experience.
@YouDidWhatNow?: I think it's funny that the person throwing the \"fanboi\" insult around is the only person in the conversation who is claiming that there's no point in using anything other than his favourite game platforms.
@Lauchlin:
...I find it hilarious that the person who started a thread by saying \"I can't believe people are still buying these things\" wants us to believe there's no point in using anything other than his favorite game platforms, and that he's not a fanboi.
@YouDidWhatNow?: When did I say that? I've been playing video games for about 25 years, and the only console I've missed out on in that time was the original Sega. I'm hardly a platform purist. I made this first comment about the Wii because hardly anyone I know who owns one still uses it. Apparently the Wii owners I know are in a minority. Oops.
But keep calling me a fanboi and putting words in my mouth if it makes you feel better.
@Lauchlin:
...I'm sorry, you must not have noticed when you started this thread with these exact words:
\"I'm kind of shocked that people are still buying these. It's possibly the least entertaining mainstream video game system ever made.\"
No need for me to put words in your mouth. I am impressed, though, that there's room for words in there next to your foot.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, my \"When did I say that?\" was in reference to your claim that I think people should only play \"my favorite game platforms,\" whatever you think those are supposed to be.
But you're right, your disdain has me intimidated and shamed. I will try to refrain from expressing any sort of opinion about the value of items you care so much about in the future. I don't want to offend the Big Man on the Internet.
@Lauchlin:
...\"It's possibly the least entertaining mainstream video game system ever made\"
...apparently, at least anything other than the Wii. Since clearly you, as the Big Man on the Internet, get to pass judgement on what is and isn't an entertaining video game system. You know, there is a chance...however small...that not quite everyone else in the world is going to agree with you about what is or isn't the least entertaining video game system ever made.
Amazingly, people have different opinions about what is entertaining. Let us continue having meta-conversations about why people like what they like while going to McDonald's and discussing why people like cheeseburgers while eating nothing.
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@hegemonyhog: Yes. Don't forget to loudly proclaim that you better than the people eating said cheeseburgers because you aren't eating which makes you hardcore.
The Homebrew development market on the Wii is light-years beyond that of the 360 or PS3.
I've never owned a system that could be modded to play burnt games and console emulations easier than the Wii.
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@dr.zaeus: Big warning if you're looking at the price drop as an excuse to jump in.
Wiis manufactured after about May of this year have a new firmware* that prevents the installation of BootMii, a common-sense anti-uh-oh feature (technical term) to avoid bricking your system.
(* technically it's not a firmware, it's one of the early code blocks before the firmware gets loaded that plugs up a hole used to install BootMii. There are alternate installation paths but I'd argue it loses it's effectiveness if it can't boot before the Wii OS)
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still not going to get one.
it's no secret that i'm a ps3 fan. psn: lotussix
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This Sunday, Nintendo is expected to cut the price on the gaming console by $50, from $249.99 to $199.99.
Got mine used two years ago for $75 from some pothead who thought it would be as good as an Xbox 360.
Still works.
Wonder how many 360s Mr. Grass has gone thru since then?
/Apparently one of few whose family still plays it.
@PencilSharp: I have both a 360 and Wii, and have had both for years. Neither have ever broken. I even play the 360 more than the wii...although I dont play either all that much.
Talk to me when it gets down to $99-$120...Then I might consider buying it.
I own all three current-gen systems. I bought the Wii a couple of years back with my tax return, and my PS3 and 360 were gifted to me for Christmas and my B-Day respectively. I enjoy 'em all, but the Wii definitely gets the most use in my house. I play everything from Wii Sports Resort to Metroid Prime Trilogy on it. Good times. Good times...
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It's no secret I outgrew video games around the time I left h.s.
My Wii is RED. I think it may have gotten tagged in a gang war. Not real sure though. Come on Nintendo....$50 off. That's such a discount. Who could pass that up. Seriously take $100 off and it may, i repeat, may be worth it. By the time you buy the accessories for it they've recouped the $50 you supposedly saved on it. If they can knock $50 off of it now and still make money, they could have sold it for $50 less to begin with and then dropped the price $50 and people would be more willing to pay for it.
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I'm still waiting of the black colored one...
@Joewithay: You'll have to wait about 232 years for that. And even then, you will have to make do with a white base or something.