![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-478729-100x100.png\")
People knew there was a problem when they seen unusually fast movement on the tarmac.
2 replies
People knew there was a problem when they seen unusually fast movement on the tarmac.
![\"user-pic\"](\"/css/images/default.gif\")
Don't worry, with NexGen and satellite surveillance, this won't cause delays. According to Robert Poole at the Heritage Foundation (heritage.org), runways are not the limiting factor at airports. Its those silly overpaid union controllers that cause delays with their \"WWII\" technology.
End Sarcasm
Really it should be called, \"Airline over-scheduling delays.\" Only one airplane can be actively using the runway at one time. So if there are more than 5 air carrier planes waiting, its a airline scheduling problem.
Disclosure: I am an air traffic controller.
@BK88: Question- then wouldn't the solution be to have more runways? For example, Tokyo's regional airport is about to have as many runways as JFK. Regional meaning \"Japan, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Seoul\". So for all the destinations and airlines JFK serves, shouldn't they have more runways, or failing that, push out some of its international service to LaGuardia, Islip, or something (assuming that no rational person here wants to touch Newark)?
@jamar0303:
LGA and islip aren't big enough to handle international planes - they're all larger than the runways can handle.
@KMan13 still wants a Pontiac G8: Surely they can handle A320s, 737s, etc? I know that those can fly trans-Atlantic from the NYC area when properly spec'ed. Or flights to Canada/Mexico/the Caribbean. I'd expect that trans-Pacific flights would have to stay at JFK, though. I know that trans-Atlantic in a narrow-body doesn't appeal to everyone but things can't continue like this, can they?
@BK88: Perhaps for you wimps in NYC. With your vacuum tubes. But in NJ, at EWR, we got a shiny new tower. So you keep building new terminals, and delaying flights for turtles. Around here, unless they are mutant, pre-adult, and skilled in martial arts, we don't delay planes for them.
@3DaysTillTheState_GitEmSteveDave: First +1.
Second. EWR needs to be sounded out. It is pronounced like Eeyore from Winnih the Pooh.
Third, they built the new tower like 3 foot ball fields away, with the terminals between it and the runways. It reduced visibility and efficiency that it gained from new equipment. Blah.
@3DaysTillTheState_GitEmSteveDave: While I can't speak for the NY airports, Newark is one of the worst I have ever flown out of or into. They are always delaying flights, usually due to too many planes and no where for them to go, it's ridiculous.
@Darkest Daze: Exactly. For the sake of safety and advanced technology, people divert to Newark. When Sully was going down, what two airports did they try to get him to go to? Exactly, Newark and Teterboro. As for all the planes, I suggest you not underestimate the staggering drawing power of the Garden State, and show up two hours in advance.
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-120903-100x100.png\")
@BK88: And the toll collectors' union hates EZ-Pass. What else is new?
The report you're talking about seems pretty reasonable to me so far (I started skimming after the first half or so) -- the bit that seems to be lacking is the consideration of the alternative. I would say either the system has to massively increase capacity (which is what the author is saying, which requires more automation), or else the number of flights has to be drastically reduced, probably my making it very expensive for regional jets to use major airports. You'd no longer be able to fly directly between minor cities, and I don't know that there'd be a lot of consumer support for that proposal.
If you read the report with a less (understandably) biased view, it's not blaming union controllers in the same way one might blame union painters for the high cost of new construction in New York City -- it's saying human controllers can only perform so many operations per unit of time, and increasing system capacity is going to require a non-human solution.
@BK88: Thanks, now I have the in-depth analysis and commentary I'm always looking for in my turtle-fucking stories.
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-408030-100x100.png\")
I guess the turtles didn't make it to Kerplopitgoes Island. :/
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-81507-100x100.png\")
@Jupichan:
The turtles were found to be repeating:
\"I'm nauseous.\"
\"I'm nauseous.\"
\"I'm nauseous.\"
Nothing says erotic like an orgy on a runway.
we can learn a lot from turtles. apparently they take their time when getting it on.
as for me.... i'm off to the sand to \"do the turtle\".
lol!
-dave
![\"user-pic\"](\"/mt-static/support/assets_c/userpics/userpic-684304-100x100.png\")
I bet the Slowskys from those annoying Comcast ads were there to. So thats what they do when they're not filming :p.
\"It is unclear whether the turtles pair off, or if the numbers indicated it was a group activity\"
Oh, the religious nutjobs of the country are going to have a field day with this one! The scroll at the bottom of Fox News is going to say, \"Liberals allow sinful orgy to disrupt Homeland Security. Terrorists get free pass on 'one-male-one-female' standard all Americans support.\"
@BK88: I'm usually not the biggest fan of unions... but I certainly agree with you here. NextGen/ADS-B will certainly help with direct routing, continuous descent, and such. However, it will do NOTHING to overcome the fact that only one aircraft can land on a runway at a time... nor will it bend the laws of physics and alleviated wake turbulence!
The amount of money involved with contracts for redoing our ATC equipment is huge... I'm sure we can expect the standards of ethics to follow accordingly!
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-622749-100x100.png\")
Turtles Gone Wild!
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-387761-100x100.png\")
We can't let our airplanes be delayed or the terrapins win!
@P_Smith: I hope they identified their partners, or they could have attracted herpetologists.
Yeah, yours was better.
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-480756-100x100.png\")
thats one slow orgy...
Most people don't realize that JFK airport adjoins a huge wildlife refuge, yes located right in New York City.
Map here, click on map:
http://www.nps.gov/gate/
This was caused by the clearing out of the bird population around the runways to prevent accidents. The birds ate turtle eggs. No birds, more turtles, turtle orgy.
I guess they all joined the 'Mile 0 Club'
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-106827-100x100.png\")
As any of my fellow Terps can testify, this sort of behavior is actually very typical of your average New Jersey terrapin.
I'm curious how turtle sex on the runway is handled by the contract for carriage...
F*#$ing turtles!
Look at all those slutty turtles with the tramp stamps , i hope they wore protection you can get salmonella from turtles u know.
PHL had to make allowances for the special turtle population they have there (red-bellied turtles). [www.phl.org]
I think they ended up building large 'turtle passages' so they could travel under the runways. Maybe turtles like airports? Or we like to build airports where turtles are?
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-131723-100x100.png\")
![\"user-pic\"](\"http://consumerist.com/assets_c/userpics/userpic-307161-100x100.png\")
![\"user-pic\"](\"/mt-static/support/assets_c/userpics/userpic-943594-100x100.png\")
I can't wait to see all the talk show interviews with the heroic pilot who landed safely in a long, sticky streak of turtle jizz.
@takes_so_little:
lol! actually chuckled at this one.