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EdnaLegume
June 7, 2009 12:17 PM
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awww wouldn't it be cool if they brought back 'retro' style cards. i'd go further into debt if it made me look cool.

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PølάrβǽЯ
June 7, 2009 4:47 PM
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@EdnaLegume: Isn't that why a lot of people go into debt? \"I'd be able to make my Hummer payment if I hadn't put these 24s on it. But now I look cool!\"

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EdnaLegume
June 7, 2009 5:28 PM
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@Don't take anything aaron8301 says seriously: good theory unless you only use your credit cards to pay for hookers.

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ngoandy
June 7, 2009 5:35 PM
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@EdnaLegume: There are hookers that accept credit cards as payment?

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este
June 9, 2009 8:32 PM
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@ngoandy:

Dude.

Its 2009. I bet some not only take credit cards, but paypal too. Then probably want you to join their facebook, or leave comments on their linkedin or whatever.

Shit is too high tech!

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henwy
June 7, 2009 12:28 PM
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\"People are picking out a card because they can have a picture of a cat on it rather than looking at the terms,\"

Because people are stupid and cats are the handmaidens of satan

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Trai_Dep
June 7, 2009 3:46 PM
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@henwy: Wow, I just finished reading the last slide of the article.
Does Slate know the Consumerist demographic or WHAT?!

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MikeM_inMD
June 7, 2009 3:33 PM
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@henwy: Because it doesn't matter what the rate is when you get the card, they'll find a way to raise it on you.

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henwy
June 8, 2009 1:40 AM
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@MikeM_inMD: One good reason to be a 'deadbeat' then. THey could raise my rates to a million percent and it still woudln't affect me any.

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Trai_Dep
June 7, 2009 3:23 PM
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@henwy: \"Handmaidens\"
You're leaving out the male cats?!

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Eyebrows McGee (now with more baby!)
June 7, 2009 1:35 PM
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@henwy: \"cats are the handmaidens of satan \"

It's okay, their duties are mostly ceremonial.

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henwy
June 7, 2009 2:57 PM
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@Eyebrows McGee (now with more baby!):

The hell you say. I've been documenting their atrocities for years.

[henwy.livejournal.com]

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AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave
June 7, 2009 1:33 PM
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@henwy: Hrmmmm, maybe that explains why I put my then GF on my Visa....

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ngoandy
June 7, 2009 5:37 PM
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@AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave: Could you please repost it without the black bars and the blurry areas?

It would help me appreciate the design of the card.

:P

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AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave
June 7, 2009 10:35 PM
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@ngoandy: Yes, yes I could. But, that card # was cancelled and re-issued due to a \"possible security breach\", so it wouldn't do much good. Plus, neither of us look like that anymore. After the break up, I lost weight, and she put it on. :) But I'm not bitter.

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Trai_Dep
June 7, 2009 6:18 PM
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@ngoandy: To heck with that, when is Dave going to remove the blurry bits and the sign for his avatar?
Ladies, amirite, amirite? Ladies... Ladies?!

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Jason Gooljar
June 7, 2009 12:34 PM
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A lot has changed for that cute little Diner's Club card. Now they are a grown up corporation big and strong! They can now support human trafficking!

[humantrafficking.change.org]

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Skankingmike
June 7, 2009 1:10 PM
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I don't know maybe it was because my family was shit poor, but I thought Credit cards were hard as hell to get at least in the 80's.

Either way great article find.

And the only thing I care about is my APR and praying it doesn't go up on my citi card.

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weave
June 7, 2009 2:31 PM
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@Skankingmike: I had no problem in the 80s getting one. I've been a \"member\" of Amex since 1982 -- when I was 22. I was in college at the time and only had a part-time job at a grocery store. Amex marketed pretty heavily in colleges. I got a citibank card shortly thereafter.

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Changed my name to \"I like potatoes\"
June 7, 2009 6:57 PM
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@weave: Yup - I got mine in college too - back in 1988. I didn't even have a job but Capital One was at my campus recruiting us clueless college students. I had it paid off by the time I got married and then we managed to run it up again. I just cancelled that card last year. Hard to believe I had it for 20 years but I guess they knew exactly what they were doing. I wonder if they are still recruiting college campuses as hard as they once were?

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Skankingmike
June 8, 2009 3:19 AM
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@changed my name: @weave: You both hit that nail on the head, college.

My parents never went, crap my dad never graduated high school the dead beat.

I think that's why they did not actually have cards (though my mom might have i know she had a Macy's card but I'm not sure when that happened maybe the 90's)

The did buy a townhouse so I'm not sure exactly how they couldn't get a credit card..

@CaptainSemantics: It's cool i end up sounding more like my stepfather who's 67 everyday and it scares me.

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azntg
June 7, 2009 2:14 PM
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@Skankingmike: Credit cards were pretty hard to get in the late '80's.

I still recall my dad's story on how he got his first credit card in the late '80's. For his troubles, he ended up with a Citibank Visa Classic with a $300 credit limit. He still has the original card too.

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CaptainSemantics
June 7, 2009 1:36 PM
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@Skankingmike: When I was growing up in the 80s, I, too, thought that credit cards were some holy grail of spending. But the more I look back on it, it's because my parents abhorred the thought of getting a credit card. They had their mortgage, their car payment, and that was it credit-wise. If we didn't save up for something, we didn't have it.

Why am I starting to sound like my grandparents?

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Eyebrows McGee (now with more baby!)
June 7, 2009 3:26 PM
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@CaptainSemantics: My parents had cards but refused to use them for things like gas and food -- only durable goods. So that if they couldn't pay it off one month, they wouldn't be paying interest on a consumable. My attitude towards credit cards was similar for years.

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AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave
June 7, 2009 1:35 PM
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Maybe I'm biased b/c they were my old bosses, but there should at least be a mention of MBNA in there, IMHO.

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PølάrβǽЯ
June 7, 2009 4:50 PM
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@AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave: If you abbreviate because as \"b/c\" again, we Consumerists will have no choice but to tar and feather you! :D

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azntg
June 7, 2009 2:15 PM
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@AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave: I saw a picture of an MBNA card on the slideshow. Wouldn't that count as a quick cap?

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Eyebrows McGee (now with more baby!)
June 7, 2009 1:35 PM
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That was a near article, thanks for posting.

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PølάrβǽЯ
June 7, 2009 4:51 PM
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@Eyebrows McGee (now with more baby!): Side note: CONGRATS, EYEBROWS! Just remember to check the oil in that thing regularly - they leak A LOT!

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MedicallyNeedy
June 7, 2009 1:47 PM
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A friend of mine dug up a \"Lit Borthers\" brass credit medallion along w some other goodies circa early 1900's
[en.wikipedia.org]

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bohemian
June 7, 2009 2:14 PM
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@MedicallyNeedy: I would love to see a picture of the medallion. That wiki article makes me miss the old flagship stores of some of the old department stores. I wish companies would embrace these buildings for what they really are rather than trying to cover them up. Why yes Macy's I am looking at you. They have not been kind to the Dayton's flagship building in downtown Mpls.

@Munchie: The binding arbitration was some thugs showing up at your door to hit you in the knees with a bat.

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xmarc
June 7, 2009 2:07 PM
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I'm surprised they weren't mentioned in the history. I think they were called \"charge plates\". I wish I could find some of those that my parents had. I'm sure they're collectibles now.

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vildechaia
June 7, 2009 3:02 PM
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Whoa - charge plates!! That brought back some great memories. Got my first one in 1964 from Marshall Field's in Chicago; that was in the days when very few women had credit in their own names; I still remember the number. Carson Pirie Scott also had charge plates, as did the Crawford Dept. Store. I'm sure I still have them in the \"miscellaneous\" drawer! @xmarc:

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Greasy Thumb Guzik
June 7, 2009 3:38 PM
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@vildechaia:
I wish I had my mom's old metal charge plate that was good at Mandel Bros., Marshall Field's, Carson's, The Hub & The Fair.
It was an Addressograph plate & came in a leather sleeve.
It's supposed to be the second most valuable credit card to collectors.
Worth several hundred $$$!
Only the paper Amex card from the 50s is worth more.

And does anyone remember the original Sears cards which were a weird rectangular size, much longer & narrower than today's cards?

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dorastandpipe
June 7, 2009 9:51 PM
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@Greasy Thumb Guzik: Yes, I remember those Sears cards. My parents had one.

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Munchie
June 7, 2009 1:51 PM
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Wonder is there is a mandatory binding arbritation clause on the reverse side

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henwy
June 7, 2009 2:59 PM
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@Munchie:

Probably wasn't necessary back then because people actually paid their bills.

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Skaperen
June 7, 2009 4:35 PM
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@henwy: MBA doesn't do much good when people fail to pay. Where MBA helps is preventing people from suing the credit card company when the credit card company acts irresponsibly. By adding MBA terms, the companies can open the way to doing things that would before get them stiff judgments in court.

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bohemian
June 7, 2009 2:07 PM
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I remember as a very young kid my mom having a JcPenney charge card, a Sears card and a few years later a Master Card. They also had an account at the local drug store. But this was also in the days before ATMs. The purpose back then seems to be to consolidate everything into bills that could be paid by check at the end of the month. My mom never went to the bank, my dad was the one that did. It seems more like an accounting efficiency than a buy it on credit thing.

I also remember the first ATMs in the late 70's. They were like magic but they ate your cards all the time.

Everthing seemed to change at some point in the 80's with cards. That was about the time South Dakota purged all of their usury laws, consumer laws and all the banks moved in. That was also about the time they started giving cards to college kids.

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Trai_Dep
June 7, 2009 3:49 PM
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@bohemian: But if '80s college kids didn't have credit cards, how did they buy music off the iTunes Music Store?!

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JulesNoctambule
June 7, 2009 5:56 PM
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@Trai_Dep: You jest, but I have a young cousin who honestly believes that we must have had things like mp3s, facebook and internet-enabled mobiles when I was her age, since that's all she's ever known. I talk about records, parties and rotary wall phones and she looks at me like I'm insane.

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SacraBos
June 7, 2009 3:46 PM
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@bohemian: I had an ATM card in 79. In Oklahoma they have \"CheckOKard\" and \"SCS\" as the two main networks. I deposited checks and made withdrawls via a local bank's machine to my bank across the state. Different banks. No fees. Those were the days.

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CFinWV
June 8, 2009 1:53 PM
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@SacraBos: I remember a halloween costume during elementary school where I was a MAC machine, you deposited the candy in a slot and it fell into my bag. That was circa '79-'80. =)

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weave
June 7, 2009 2:32 PM
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Here's some old department store credit cards...

[www.flickr.com]

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CFinWV
June 7, 2009 4:55 PM
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@weave: Boy that Wanamaker's card brings back memories!

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Coles_Law
June 7, 2009 2:35 PM
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\"As the story goes, 60 years ago, Frank McNamara, the founder of what's considered the first credit card, was eating out at a restaurant, and when the check arrived, he realized that he had not brought along his wallet. The embarrassing situation led him to eventually create the Diners Club card\"


...which also would have done no good if he forgot his wallet.

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Trai_Dep
June 7, 2009 3:25 PM
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@Coles_Law: If only McNamara was a true innovator. Then we'd be the beneficiaries of Credit Tattoos.

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catastrophegirl chooses not to fly
June 7, 2009 3:09 PM
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my ex boyfriend's grandmother has the best credit card number EVER for her diner's club card: it was whatever number of 0's ending in 42. she used to send him out with it to fill her car up with gas. she's ancient and was one of their first customers. i have no idea why they never made her change it, maybe because they grandfathered in all the early accounts when they made changes.

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Yoko Broke Up The Beatles
June 7, 2009 9:22 PM
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@catastrophegirl - manic first time home buyer:


Ha, that's great. When merchants ask her for her credit card number, she could simply say \"42.\"

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gauden44
June 7, 2009 4:13 PM
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I've had a credit card since 1986--the year I was born. I don't know how, but it was on my credit report and it was in good standing, lol. I think it was a JC Penney's card.

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Ben_Q2
June 7, 2009 4:51 PM
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I have what would become a CC from 1100 give or take. Knights Templar CC only if you do not pay them back your feet and sword arm better be good. I found it when I was looking at some Templar armor I had just bought.

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Cliff_Donner
June 7, 2009 4:52 PM
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All those photos of credit cards with CC numbers exposed -- I wonder if the more current ones are accounts that never existed, or we're just relying on the fact that the expiration date has passed? Can't help but think of the Consumerist article Chase Reactivates Dead Card Without Your Permission. Robert Roth or Sue Guerrera could be in for a nasty surprise.

Also, love the third slide of the AmEx card for John J. Smith of the Acme Company at \"I23 Main Street\" (the letter \"I\" being typed for the number \"1\"). I remember back in the late '80s working in an office where the where a secretary had been entering data into the computer for months, consistently typing \"I\" instead of \"1.\" I think some older typewriters didn't have a key for the number \"1\" so using the letter \"I\" instead was pretty common. For computer data entry, doesn't work so well.

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econobiker
June 8, 2009 1:40 PM
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@Cliff_Donner: Nothing better than managing a line of (inter)nationally sold heavy duty tractor/trailer truck parts line in which a certain customer had generated the part number 10099-K1T (K-one-T) for our company's part number 10099-KIT (K-eye-T) when we were selling a replacement hardware kit for the application. That one always got us...

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CFinWV
June 7, 2009 4:54 PM
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Freaky, I grew up near the address on that Diner's Card.

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Yoko Broke Up The Beatles
June 7, 2009 9:25 PM
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@CFinWV:


You want freaky? You should show up to that address and ask for Samuel A. Jeffries - I bet you'd get a pretty freaky/confused look in return.

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CFinWV
June 8, 2009 1:54 PM
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@Yoko Broke Up The Beatles: LOL! I'll have to do that the next time I'm visiting the area. =)

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Laura Northrup
June 7, 2009 8:06 PM
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@Trai_Dep: I was certain for a minute that it was describing how people choose which Consumerist articles to read.

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Yoko Broke Up The Beatles
June 7, 2009 9:26 PM
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I still have my original credit card account open....from all the way back in 1999. Ancient!

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econobiker
June 8, 2009 1:42 PM
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@Yoko Broke Up The Beatles: Funny, I have one from 1987/88 though I cannot remember if the card # was changed over the years due to security issues.


I wonder who has the oldest account still open?


Anyone remember the guy with like 500 credit active credit cards which he had in a huge wallet foldout?

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henwy
June 8, 2009 1:40 AM
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@Trai_Dep: There are no male cats. Or female cats for that matter. They may look like they have sex but they actually reproduce by budding the elemental forces of evil within them.

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William Brinkman
June 8, 2009 6:35 AM
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@AluminumFalcon_GitEmSteveDave: Don't take this the wrong way, but did you post that so I'll feel worse for offering rebuttals to your posts?

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Auto-Erotic_GitEmSteveDave-ation
June 9, 2009 2:41 AM
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@William Brinkman: Nope. But why would you feel worse? Because she dumped me for a blind guy? Or that she's the one who knocked my teeth out

a href=\"#c13420488\">Trai_Dep: There's blurry bits? I think that's hair......

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geoffhazel
June 9, 2009 5:58 AM
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There are no pictures of all the old-school store credit cards. My mom had accounts at Teppers and Bambergers (two local department stores) in Plainfield, NJ. The charge \"plates\" were about the size of a business card, but a bit less tall and a bit longer, with embossed numbers and name like today's cards. This is circa 1960.

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