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As an owner of a 2007 Chevy Impala, my vote goes to GM.
@ezmobee: I'm sorry to hear that. Next time, look into a Honda Accord. You'll never consider an American made sedan ever again.
@Papercutninja: As an observer of an Aztek, my vote goes to GM.
As a recipient of pretty decent Cash-Back Rewards from Chase Credit, my hatred for them is drastically reduced (but I do not otherwise deal with them...for good reason).
I rent vehicles on a regular basis, and the GM models that I was given were poor in quality and not in very good condition in direct comparison to the imports that had twice the mileage and were in better shape.
I was warned by folks before taking the next vehicle out about them being over 25K miles.
I was given a Grand AM that just turned 25K on the odo and the CHECK ENGINE light lit up as if it was on a schedule. I took it to a branch agency and they gave me a slate black Altima that knew what it was about. I swear I was not speeding, but I got pulled over and given a warning ticket by the local Texas DPS.
Oh well, my vote went to GM.
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@Nighthawke: Actually the light is usually set to go off at 25,000 on some grand am models... mine did that as well. It is used to get people to get a tune up on the car, so people can change the fuel filter, rotate tires, etc...
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@WarOtter: I hope you're being facetious. Otherwise, there are a lot of people who don't know about cars and will take your word for it.
The \"Check Engine\" light is connected to the engine control unit (ECU) which is not programmed to illuminate the light at certain mileage intervals. That's horse puckey. Yes, some GM vehicles have Information Display systems that monitor oil life, but this is not connected to the \"Check Engine\" lamp.
If the CE lamp illuminates, there is usually an emissions fault (e.g., loose gas cap, broken injector, bad O2 sensor).
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This decision is way too hard. I'm going to have to think it over for awhile.
This is a really special year; there are just too many \"winners\" in this bracket.
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I've driven a Chevy Cobalt, my vote goes to GM.
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@OmniZero:
Most American cars can hold up for at least 2-3 years. It's at 3-5 years you will wish you had bought a Honda/Toyota/etc (unless it is a truck).
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@Saboth: This is something Ive always been curious about - Are American trucks somehow magically better than their cars? I would never buy an American vehicle again in a million years so I don't care to actually research it, but if its true it would surprise me that Detroit can do one thing right.
@Radi0logy: Interestingly enough, \"American\" trucks often fair much better than \"American\" cars. The Ford F-150, for example, is consistently one of the most reliable and longest lasting pickup trucks in Consumer surveys. \"According to Consumer Reports's used car reliability history data, the 2004-2008 F-150 with the 4.2 L V6 engine is the most reliable American pickup truck ever produced in history.\" - Wikipedia [en.wikipedia.org]
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I read that wikipedia article, it seems ford in the later years has really been kicking a$$ with the F-150. I owned one between the years of 1998-2005. 2005 I bought my avalanche and so far I think it's an awesome trick. I will soon cross 100k miles on it and it's been a rock. Still getting as least 16MPG in the saint louis city area with mobil1 for oil. True it's a $60 oil change at walmart, but none the less I am impressed.
@OmniZero: Haha I don't think even GM can make a car bad enough to fail at 10k miles! They try, but they do not succeed.
Let us know how it is at 100k :P
Hmmm - one company that's taken huge $ from the gov't and has no viable plan for survival, vs. one that took federal $ only under pressure, and as part of a gov't encouraged agreement to take on a drowning competitor. Should be a pretty easy call.
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My wife and I bought new Saturns mid-2001. We're still driving them, and they're the only brand we'd consider buying from GM. Good thing they're getting rid of 'em. That makes this vote pretty easy.
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@dorianh49: My husband had a 1993 Saturn that we finally put to rest in January. He REALLY wanted to buy Saturn again because his first one was so great... but GM ruined that dream.
@djsyndrome: The Astra is also a GM rebadge job - it's the Vauxhall/Opel Astra in Europe. And BacteriaEP - you wouldn't consider a Corvette? The new Camaro? The Cadillac CTS-V (world's fastest sedan)? Or any Buicks, despite having the world's highest build quality (according to consumer reports)? I'm not a GM apologist, but their products have kinda been on a roll lately.
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@dorianh49: why would you still consider buying a Saturn? Saturn used to be an independent subsidiary with its own engineering team, but now all of their vehicles is GM rebadge job, with the exception of the Astra (which is dead for 2009 anyway).
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Saturns are really the only car within GM that I'd ever consider. Well... I don't actually think they're part of GM now.
Put a hold on my paycheck, WaMu Chase?
Zoidberg: \"The Chase Manhattan Bank. Deny my credit card application???\" SMASH!!!
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This is so easy. Chase was criminal before it became fashionable.
@djsyndrome: Sorry, Chase was robbing our pockets and lives before GM was thought of. And they are still doing it. With Government money.
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GM makes crappy cars
Chase took taxpayers money and spent it on buying it's competition....I pick chase.
Both are shitty, and both deserves high honors within this competition. However, my vote went towards GM.
Unfortunately for Chase, GM had the opportunity to not only accept bail-out money from the Government and then proceed to still not have a survivability plan, but they are also a single corporation that hold the jobs of millions (through it's own employment and suppliers) in it's hands whilst pissing away money on failed projects and lackluster designs that everybody knew was going to fail.
Seriously, GM? Your going to release a $50,000 \"hybrid\" Tahoe when the gas mileage improved a whole 4 miles? Who the hell do you think your kidding?
@BacteriaEP: They have no choice about the hybrids. The federal government issued mandated minimum fuel economy standards.
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@Zapfino_the_Magnificent: Which both Toyota & Honda also worked under. Curiously, they had a different outcome.
So your point about GM is strengthened by your statement?!
I had an S-10 that litterally fell appart at 75,000 miles. GM gets my vote as well.
I used to be a Wamu customer, now turned Chase. My Debit card expired, so the new one sent out to me was understandably a Chase card. Here's the kicker, There are no Chase banks in Cali so every time I need to do a banking transaction I would go to Wamu. Well in my area there systems hadn't been updated with the new Chase info so my only options to get cash were use the ATM, or if I needed more than my daily allowance (which i often do)I would have to write a Wamu check to get the money. Not a big deal but i must do this until May, and have been doing it since February. I still voted for GM.
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I really can't go either way on this one.
I love GM, my dad has an '05 Pontiac Montana with 98,000 miles and my mom has a '02 Buick LeSabre with 100,000 miles and neither have had any problems (knocks on wood). My first car was a '06 Pontiac G6 it is was a great car but I traded it in on a Lexus ES, not because I didn't like it, just because I wanted something nicer.
As for Chase, I am a college freshman and they are the only company that will give me a credit card. I was instantly approved for a student credit card that I have paid off every month for about a year now. No one else will give me a card.
I vote neither.
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@kpetree10: I used to like Bank of America when I was in College... we'll see how you feel in 5 years
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I own a Pontiac, and bank with Chase (as a former WaMu customer).
I love my car. I hate my \"new\" bank. I voted for Chase.
@techstar25: I have a '99 Pontiac Grand Am, and even though it had a few thousand dollars worth of work a few years ago, it just won't die. I'm going to drive it until it blows up and then get a Subaru
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@techstar25:
I own a GM SUV and used to bank with Chase. I love my SUV; I hate Chase. Easy decision for me.
Chase = JP Morgan, the man responsible for the panic of 1907, the great depression, on the board of directors for the federal reserve, it's a no brainer. GM is just a car company.
Well JPMorgan Chase - IS responsible for the latest Bank catastrophe. \"JPMorgan was the first bank to make a big bet on credit default swaps.\"
\"One of the earliest CDS deals came out of JPMorgan in December 1997, when the firm put into place the idea hatched in Boca Raton. It essentially took 300 different loans, totaling $9.7 billion, that had been made to a variety of big companies like Ford, Wal-Mart and IBM, and cut them up into pieces known as \"tranches\" (that's French for \"slices\").\" \"\"We made it possible for banks to get their credit risk off their books and into nonfinancial institutions like insurance companies and pension funds,\"
So, Gee Thanks JPMorgan Chase - you greedy #%!*&($.
@watchout5: did you really just say J.P.Morgan was responsible for the great depression? the same great depression that happened 15-20 years after he died? JP Morgan al saved the country's banking system from the panic of 1907 by lending the banks money and saved the US treasury after the panic of 1893
[en.wikipedia.org]
you really need to educate yourself, he probably did more to establish this country at the turn of the century than just about anyone aside from Theadore Roosevelt
@tape: try reading a book then. this was the first reference i found so i posted it. i didnt exactly have time to type in an entire transcript here. try \"the House of Morgan\" by Ron Chernow
@craptastico: Bravo.
I enjoy how the people whining about Wiki the loudest are the ones giving a slackjawed, slightly terrified look when you suggest they actually crack open a book instead.
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This could be a WCIA first! The company voted worst could die soon after in bankruptcy!
DOWn, baby, DOWn!
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@parrotuya: Not sure if it's really a WCIA first. We were voting on a company *already* bankrupt and out of business, after all.
Some old saying about a cart and a horse comes to mind, though.
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As evil as GM is, Chase is worse. Once they screw up your credit by cutting limits and raising interest rates, they'll make it harder for you to ditch your GM car for a Toyota.
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GM destroyed American mass transit starting in the 30s. And for what? 50 years of profits before withering and dying anyway b/c they can't innovate? GM is why its gonna take us another 50 years to get regional high speed transit up in this piece.
For blithely charging down the 12-cup holder SUV train tracks, ignoring what competitors were doing, long-term ecological trends, killing universal health care 40 years ago, then turning around and blaming the costs of our broken system to move jobs overseas and (pant pant pant) taking this whole mess and blaming it on the line-worker instead of the overpaid execs calling the shots, I blame GM.
Oh, and Paulie the Polar Bear waves hi, as he sinks below the featureless arctic seas. Wave to Paulie!!
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I don't understand why anyone is voting for GM. GM is merely an incompetent company that makes products that people don't want to buy and was a squeaky enough wheel to get the grease. Chase, on the other hand, is one of the companies instrumental in creating the financial ruin of not only the United States but of a fair portion of the entire world. And it isn't the first time they've done it! J.P. Morgan was one of the architects of the Federal Reserve, the federal income tax, was directly responsible for the Great Depression, and much more. While his blood and corporate descendants may not have quite lived up to his extreme level of evil, they certainly follow in his footsteps.
Boy, sure are a lot of people around here blithely ignorant of how the car biz works. People, GM and Ford have been building cars the equal of anything from the Land of the Rising Sun for several years now. But don't take my word for it -- it's the official scientific survey from J.D. Power and Associates. And GM was building what America wanted to buy -- big trucks and SUVs were everywhere in the '90s and early 2000s, right? So they were supposed to predict a sudden spike of gas to $4.25 a gallon last summer and a massive bank panic that would mean nobody could get a loan to buy a car for the better part of a year? Listen, the Japanese and German governments are propping up their automakers too, not that anyone ever reports it.
Oh, and as for that GM hybrid SUV -- in the city that massive Tahoe gets better MPG than a freakin TOYOTA CAMRY.
It's fashionable to hate on Detroit, among the shortsighted anyway. But we aren't building 1974 Plymouth Fury III's any more. And if we go down, America turns into a big Argentina. No industrial base means no prosperity.
As for rental cars, heavens to Murgatroyd. They ALL suck because people drive the CRAP out of them. Last time I went to Enterprise they gave me a Nissan with 45,000 miles on it and bald tires. It was one rattle and squeak after another, and it hydroplaned in the rain. I didn't thusly conclude that Japan Inc. can't build a car though...
@Matt Roush: You can't site JD Power as a credible source. GM is at fault because they never created a reliable, flagship sedan to cater to the mainstream consumer. Sure, people were going freakin SUV crazy, but at the end of the day, you need a high quality, reliable family sedan to drive your bottom line sales (Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, BMW 3-series). Please don't try to tell me about the new Chevy Malibu, I've seen one and have been in one. It's a shitty GM car packaged in a slightly prettier exterior. It will never reach the heights of the Accord or Camry.
At least Ford gets it (they used to have a great deal of success with the Taurus) and they did a decent job with the Fusion and are coming out with a new version of the Taurus which looks great.
GM, get your head out of your ass, put your foot down with the UAW who is killing your bottom line, and develop a car people want to drive.
@Matt Roush: JD Power surveys are self-reported, correct? Doesn't that lead to a response bias?
And, what is the max length of time of a car's ownership do the JD Power surveys track? Wiki cites 30-day and 3-year periods, which don't seem to measure true reliability.
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@Matt Roush: Yes it IS really fsahionable to hate on GM, and frankly I am sick and tired of it. I own a '92 Checy Corsica that has 165k+ miles on it and it runs really with with little maintenace every now and then, oil changes and whatnot, it is a fine car I am proud of driving.
But ya know what, Go ahead and let GM go out of business people, and put 2.5 million more people out of work, just because you want the company to die, because that's what we all need is another huge job loss. And that is not even considering the companies that suply GM with their parts and the people who work for them. GM going OOB is a pandora's box, and I really don't want to see it opened.
And of course I voted for Chase. yet another bank who took bailout money and used it pathetically. At least GM is being restructured.
Vanno users say JP Morgan Chase (#438) is worse than GM (#269). And Robert Scoble says Vanno is one of his \"7 must-have Twitter tools\".
I own a Chevy truck and a Buick Roadmaster (with a Vette engine), and don't plan on getting rid of either.
I plan on getting rid of my Chase account.
You can figure out how I voted ...
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I've had GM cars all my life and never had any major problems. I had Chase for 2 years and lost a lot of money in excess fees.
It was difficult, I've finally made up my mind to vote for Chase. GM has been a crummy company for a really long time, but they've now at least canned their obstructionist CEO and are considering all alternatives, including bankruptcy, rather than continuing to suckle indefinitely from taxpayers. Chase is as predatory as ever, and thinks it's entitled to continue business that way with taxpayer support.
For redundant, nondescript, POS SUVs.
For taking my money and blowing it on that stupid ridiculous PUMA thing. I would rather a GM exec come to my house, take out a wad of cash equivalent to my share, piss on it, and burn it on my front porch...at least that would have been mildly entertaining.
Oh, and for the Aztek.
I was a loyal Chase customer. Used their credit card daily for lunches and other purchases. Even did a balance transfer. Every month for three years, I paid MORE than I had spent the previous month (paying down the balance transfer) AND did so before the due date.
When my ex-wife had a field day with our credit, I got a call from Chase telling me that not only were they reducing my credit limit to the CURRENT BALANCE (a $10K drop) but they were also raising my interest rate from 9.9% to 21.9% !!!!
Chase definitely gets my vote here.
Chase - another Evil Bankster that must die.
First they took TARP money, the $10 monthly fee, then it was their raising interest rates for no reason, then cutting credit limits, then huge layoffs (nearby me) - and now they have increased IT offshoring jobs to India by 25%. I want my tax dollars back from them now!
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase & Co., said \"if U.S. officials start cooperating and refrain from the \"vilification\" of corporate America.\"
Yes, the US must bow to the Bankster CEOs and stop complaining about the Banksters Corruption.
Gotta go get a pitchfork for Dimon.
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Ooh, chase is ahead. I had GM on my bracket for massive bailout badness.
@huadpe:
Uh, what? If you're voting based on bailouts, Chase beats GM hands-down.
@huadpe: I have GM losing to AIG in the finals. Based on these last couple of poles, Comcast might make sure that doesn't happen.