Uh, what? If you're voting based on bailouts, Chase beats GM hands-down.

At least Ford gets it (they used to have a great deal of success with the Taurus) and they did a decent job with the Fusion and are coming out with a new version of the Taurus which looks great.

GM, get your head out of your ass, put your foot down with the UAW who is killing your bottom line, and develop a car people want to drive.

The "Check Engine" light is connected to the engine control unit (ECU) which is not programmed to illuminate the light at certain mileage intervals. That's horse puckey. Yes, some GM vehicles have Information Display systems that monitor oil life, but this is not connected to the "Check Engine" lamp.

If the CE lamp illuminates, there is usually an emissions fault (e.g., loose gas cap, broken injector, bad O2 sensor).

And, what is the max length of time of a car's ownership do the JD Power surveys track? Wiki cites 30-day and 3-year periods, which don't seem to measure true reliability.

Well JPMorgan Chase - IS responsible for the latest Bank catastrophe. "JPMorgan was the first bank to make a big bet on credit default swaps."

"One of the earliest CDS deals came out of JPMorgan in December 1997, when the firm put into place the idea hatched in Boca Raton. It essentially took 300 different loans, totaling $9.7 billion, that had been made to a variety of big companies like Ford, Wal-Mart and IBM, and cut them up into pieces known as "tranches" (that's French for "slices")." ""We made it possible for banks to get their credit risk off their books and into nonfinancial institutions like insurance companies and pension funds,"

So, Gee Thanks JPMorgan Chase - you greedy #%!*&($.

First they took TARP money, the $10 monthly fee, then it was their raising interest rates for no reason, then cutting credit limits, then huge layoffs (nearby me) - and now they have increased IT offshoring jobs to India by 25%. I want my tax dollars back from them now!

Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase & Co., said "if U.S. officials start cooperating and refrain from the "vilification" of corporate America."

Yes, the US must bow to the Bankster CEOs and stop complaining about the Banksters Corruption.

Gotta go get a pitchfork for Dimon.

For taking my money and blowing it on that stupid ridiculous PUMA thing. I would rather a GM exec come to my house, take out a wad of cash equivalent to my share, piss on it, and burn it on my front porch...at least that would have been mildly entertaining.

Oh, and for the Aztek.

As a recipient of pretty decent Cash-Back Rewards from Chase Credit, my hatred for them is drastically reduced (but I do not otherwise deal with them...for good reason).

I read that wikipedia article, it seems ford in the later years has really been kicking a$$ with the F-150. I owned one between the years of 1998-2005. 2005 I bought my avalanche and so far I think it's an awesome trick. I will soon cross 100k miles on it and it's been a rock. Still getting as least 16MPG in the saint louis city area with mobil1 for oil. True it's a $60 oil change at walmart, but none the less I am impressed.

I plan on getting rid of my Chase account.

You can figure out how I voted ...

@Matt Roush: Yes it IS really fsahionable to hate on GM, and frankly I am sick and tired of it. I own a '92 Checy Corsica that has 165k+ miles on it and it runs really with with little maintenace every now and then, oil changes and whatnot, it is a fine car I am proud of driving.

But ya know what, Go ahead and let GM go out of business people, and put 2.5 million more people out of work, just because you want the company to die, because that's what we all need is another huge job loss. And that is not even considering the companies that suply GM with their parts and the people who work for them. GM going OOB is a pandora's box, and I really don't want to see it opened.

And of course I voted for Chase. yet another bank who took bailout money and used it pathetically. At least GM is being restructured.

@tape: try reading a book then. this was the first reference i found so i posted it. i didnt exactly have time to type in an entire transcript here. try "the House of Morgan" by Ron Chernow

Vanno users say JP Morgan Chase (#438) is worse than GM (#269). And Robert Scoble says Vanno is one of his "7 must-have Twitter tools".

Some old saying about a cart and a horse comes to mind, though.

Boy, sure are a lot of people around here blithely ignorant of how the car biz works. People, GM and Ford have been building cars the equal of anything from the Land of the Rising Sun for several years now. But don't take my word for it -- it's the official scientific survey from J.D. Power and Associates. And GM was building what America wanted to buy -- big trucks and SUVs were everywhere in the '90s and early 2000s, right? So they were supposed to predict a sudden spike of gas to $4.25 a gallon last summer and a massive bank panic that would mean nobody could get a loan to buy a car for the better part of a year? Listen, the Japanese and German governments are propping up their automakers too, not that anyone ever reports it.

Oh, and as for that GM hybrid SUV -- in the city that massive Tahoe gets better MPG than a freakin TOYOTA CAMRY.

It's fashionable to hate on Detroit, among the shortsighted anyway. But we aren't building 1974 Plymouth Fury III's any more. And if we go down, America turns into a big Argentina. No industrial base means no prosperity.

As for rental cars, heavens to Murgatroyd. They ALL suck because people drive the CRAP out of them. Last time I went to Enterprise they gave me a Nissan with 45,000 miles on it and bald tires. It was one rattle and squeak after another, and it hydroplaned in the rain. I didn't thusly conclude that Japan Inc. can't build a car though...

@Radi0logy: Interestingly enough, "American" trucks often fair much better than "American" cars. The Ford F-150, for example, is consistently one of the most reliable and longest lasting pickup trucks in Consumer surveys. "According to Consumer Reports's used car reliability history data, the 2004-2008 F-150 with the 4.2 L V6 engine is the most reliable American pickup truck ever produced in history." - Wikipedia [en.wikipedia.org]

I'm still sour about this: [www.facebook.com]

GM FTW!

Oh, and Paulie the Polar Bear waves hi, as he sinks below the featureless arctic seas. Wave to Paulie!!

@watchout5: did you really just say J.P.Morgan was responsible for the great depression? the same great depression that happened 15-20 years after he died? JP Morgan al saved the country's banking system from the panic of 1907 by lending the banks money and saved the US treasury after the panic of 1893
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you really need to educate yourself, he probably did more to establish this country at the turn of the century than just about anyone aside from Theadore Roosevelt

GM destroyed American mass transit starting in the 30s. And for what? 50 years of profits before withering and dying anyway b/c they can't innovate? GM is why its gonna take us another 50 years to get regional high speed transit up in this piece.

@djsyndrome: Sorry, Chase was robbing our pockets and lives before GM was thought of. And they are still doing it. With Government money.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

@techstar25:
I own a GM SUV and used to bank with Chase. I love my SUV; I hate Chase. Easy decision for me.

Most American cars can hold up for at least 2-3 years. It's at 3-5 years you will wish you had bought a Honda/Toyota/etc (unless it is a truck).

I really can't go either way on this one.

I love GM, my dad has an '05 Pontiac Montana with 98,000 miles and my mom has a '02 Buick LeSabre with 100,000 miles and neither have had any problems (knocks on wood). My first car was a '06 Pontiac G6 it is was a great car but I traded it in on a Lexus ES, not because I didn't like it, just because I wanted something nicer.

As for Chase, I am a college freshman and they are the only company that will give me a credit card. I was instantly approved for a student credit card that I have paid off every month for about a year now. No one else will give me a card.

I vote neither.

I had an S-10 that litterally fell appart at 75,000 miles. GM gets my vote as well.

Unfortunately for Chase, GM had the opportunity to not only accept bail-out money from the Government and then proceed to still not have a survivability plan, but they are also a single corporation that hold the jobs of millions (through it's own employment and suppliers) in it's hands whilst pissing away money on failed projects and lackluster designs that everybody knew was going to fail.

Seriously, GM? Your going to release a $50,000 "hybrid" Tahoe when the gas mileage improved a whole 4 miles? Who the hell do you think your kidding?

GM makes crappy cars
Chase took taxpayers money and spent it on buying it's competition....I pick chase.

Saturns are really the only car within GM that I'd ever consider. Well... I don't actually think they're part of GM now.

This is so easy. Chase was criminal before it became fashionable.

Let us know how it is at 100k :P

Zoidberg: "The Chase Manhattan Bank. Deny my credit card application???" SMASH!!!

My wife and I bought new Saturns mid-2001. We're still driving them, and they're the only brand we'd consider buying from GM. Good thing they're getting rid of 'em. That makes this vote pretty easy.

Hmmm - one company that's taken huge $ from the gov't and has no viable plan for survival, vs. one that took federal $ only under pressure, and as part of a gov't encouraged agreement to take on a drowning competitor. Should be a pretty easy call.

This is a really special year; there are just too many "winners" in this bracket.

I was warned by folks before taking the next vehicle out about them being over 25K miles.
I was given a Grand AM that just turned 25K on the odo and the CHECK ENGINE light lit up as if it was on a schedule. I took it to a branch agency and they gave me a slate black Altima that knew what it was about. I swear I was not speeding, but I got pulled over and given a warning ticket by the local Texas DPS.

Oh well, my vote went to GM.