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GOD DAMN IT!
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GOD DAMN IT!
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Please tell me they did not do this to the Samoas.
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I don't think they could do it to the Samoa's.
There was only like 14 cookies in the box to begin with.
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You don't feel so bad when it's for an organization like the girl scouts.
Most people already know they can get more cookies at the grocery store, but it's girl scout cookies, come on.
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@pb5000: I don't feel sorry for the girl scouts after they went nuts over that gas station that was buying thousands of cookies to sell during the times of the year the girls scouts don't sell them and was forced to stop. Everyone won in that arrangement because he sold them for more than the girl scouts so people would only buy them from him when the girl scouts didn't sell them, the girl scouts got a ton of more sales, and the girl who sold them to him did not have to risk her life selling door to door.
@TechnoDestructo: The lessen is that when costs go up you can not continue to operate giving the same thing for the same price. I am wondering if you would be happy with having the same wages for 10 years. Guess what, your employer passes that cost along to the world.
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@thrid001:
If you raise the price, people will notice.
If you decrease the amount of product in the package, people may not notice until they've bought the product, or maybe not at all. As evidenced by attempts to design packages that conceal the change, this is usually the objective.
Even if you issue a press release about it, most people are still not going to read it.
The Grocery Shrink Ray, no matter how you try to dress it up, is an attempt at deception. Sometimes it is a halfhearted one, but it is invariably more deceptive than raising the price.
The lesson is that when presented with two choices you don't like, it is okay to choose the one that requires you to lie.
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@TechnoDestructo: I'm curious, for everyone out there who says that this is awful because it's teaching a bad lesson to the little Girl Scouts, who actually thinks that the girls have anything to do with this or even realize it's happening? Everyone who says this makes it sound as if the troops have all been informed and are complicit in this \"deception.\" I think it's more likely that the girls have no idea that the boxes are a little smaller this year.
Aside from that, I'm in the boat that doesn't mind this \"shrink ray\" all that much. Yes, it is a little frustrating and disappointing to not get as much as you once did, but that's what happens, and always has happened, over the course of inflation.
As someone who is on a tight budget at the moment, I'd say that I would actually rather have the size decreased a little as opposed to the price raised or the quality diminished. For everyone out there who is on a tight budget (and that includes more and more people these days), it's actually possible that they simply could not afford an increase in price for the same size box. This allows those types of consumers to still enjoy the product without being forced to move to something of lower quality or cut this or something else out of their budget entirely.
Maybe people will buy an extra box as a result. The more boxes they sell, the more profit they make. I doubt the average person would not stop buying Girl Scout cookies due to the slightly smaller box size and no price change. Girl Scout cookies are a quality product for a good cause. The Boy Scout national popcorn campaign, on the other hand, is foul product not worthy of much. Most people buy that stuff out of sympathy or to give away as presents. If the Boy Scouts were to cut down on the size of the popcorn tins, people would reconsider the value of the product.
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That's not true about paying the same for less -- here in St. Louis the single box price is $3.50. My sister is a GS.
I know people buy these cookies because they love them, but if you really want to support your local troops of GS, PLEASE for the love of the gods donate money to the troop or local council instead of buying cookies. The girls do not get a great cut of each box, it's somewhere under a dollar per box.
@redbess: So what's wrong with that? It's sales for a reasonable commission. That's almost always the deal for sales, unless the salesperson actually owns or produce the product herself.
But the cookie company only actually gets about a third of the money, which is fair. They need to cover costs, and certainly need some incentive for doing what they do. Although the local troop may only get what appears from the above comment to be $.50 or so, the remainder of the money goes to the girl scouts central office. And I guarantee to you they are not putting all that money into a vault and rolling around in it. It goes into girl scout activities, camps, etc.
There's nothing wrong with buying cookies for that matter. Sure, honest-to-god charity in the form of donations to a troop would be nicer, but selling cookies is more likely to actually earn money.
@redbess: I am currently a Brownie leader- we get $0.60 per box. And while the boxes have gotten smaller since last year, the cost per box has gone up for us, too. Also, if you are donating, you have to do it on the sly, or the council will take it from the troop. I don't report donations we get for that reason. And yes, at the beginning of each year I must PAY to register myself as a leader. There is a lot wrong with girl scouts, but I can't let my girls down and quit.
@queenofdenial: I am a Cub Scout leader and our leaders paying to register is nothing new. The councils have to run back ground checks on everyone...gotta offset that cost somehow or it is going to raise the dues. It also goes towards paying insurance on you in case you are injured while helping out.
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@redbess: I was a Girl Scout not too long ago (through high school, graduated in 2003) and it definitely was less than $1/box at the time I left... although I can't remember how much, I want to say the troop actually netted something like 50-75 cents/box after cookie sales when I left, I can't imagine tit's shot up that much within the last six years. Maybe I can believe that $2/box ends up going back to the local council, although that still seems very generous.
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@redbess:
I was a girl scout leader for seven years. 10 years ago we received about 45 cents a box. The kids, parents and leaders did all the work, too.
@ninabi: One of my cousins has two daughters that are girl scouts, and I think my cousin is a troop leader or just very active with what they're doing. She said they've always gotten very little per box of cookies, but they cut the amount that the girls get in the past couple of years so now they won't sell them at all. They sell a lot of other products, and she said that all of the other products have a much higher margin going to the kids.
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@redbess: im fairly certain they get like $2 a box or something. my mother and sister have been active leaders for years with local girl scout troops and ive seen pie chart breakdowns that suggest a much higher take. but most troops sell thousands of boxes, so they do take home a decent chunk of change.
@snazz: Absolutely not the case. My daughter's GS troop gets $0.50 per box from the $3.50/box charge. I know, because I do the accounting for the sales.
Now, there are some troops that sell the cookies for more than $3.50/box and get to keep the excess in addition to the $0.50. However, the Girls Scouts have specifically prohibited troops from doing this, and if you get caught you may have your cookie selling status revoked.
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@redbess: Oh but the cheap chinese prizes are SOOOO worth selling 200 boxes! Yay! I get a keychain! Hoorah!
Blue Bell Ice Cream has taken advantage of all this shrink ray action and uses it to market their Ice Cream by stamping Still a Half Gallon on the side of all their 1/2 gallon containers.
Has anyone ever had the GS cookie ice cream by Edy's (I think)??? OMG it's to die for.
The prices to make the cookies went up by 30%, yet the quantity decreases by how much? 10% maybe? why dont you put those numbers up.
hate all this whining crap about shrink ray
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It's not about the costs, its about the deception! The honorable thing to do is raise the prices. Then, when you say, \"I'm sorry, but we had to raise the prices because our costs have gone up\", people will understand. By being incredibly sneaky about it, they are teaching the girls that deceiving customers is the correct way to do business. I really think it's far worse for the Girl Scouts to do this, than Tide.
@plyhard13: How is it deceptive? Actually studies show people make their decision based on PRICE not by size. If I am willing to help girl scouts with over priced cookies, I might say $3.50 is ok, and you can shrink the size to anything, BUT if you raise the price to $4, more people will say, no thanks. People do not want to spend more money, they would prefer less product.
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@squatchie44: Call me Mr. Pendandic, but the prices to make the cookies didn't necessarily go up 30%... Specificly cocoa, sugar, and flour have gone up at least 30%. There may be other price fluctuations balancing the other direction and improvements of efficiency that only wound up them having to reduce size by 10% to maintain the same price point.
Exactly. Inflation does this. This is why we don't go to the movies and spend a nickel like they did in the early 1900's.
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Is there nothing holy anymore!!!
They've been doing this every year. They're always $3 a box but then you get a smaller box. Or, last year, they were more than $3 and an even smaller box. This isn't new news.
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@Oranges w/ Cheese: Yeah, they've been getting smaller and smaller each and every year, my Mom and Grandma have been talking about it for at least 4 years.
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When I sold them back in the day, they were twice as big a box and they were only FIFTY CENTS.
And we had to walk uphill in the snow to get 'em, too! Both ways!
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Using children for fund raisers has always pissed me off. You have to send your kids out to whore cookies, candy, wrapping paper, and other worthless bull shit. In school they make you feel like shit if you don't sell the whole box of over priced chocolate. Let's say each kid nets $40 - $50 to the girl scouts, band, etc., I'd rather just write the check than to waste my kid's time.
Oh yeah and Santa doesn't exist
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you say it makes you made having kids do this. did you write a check to the girl scouts so it doesn't waste your kids time? if you didn't shame on you! if you did that's great! if you did not you should not put the kids down for this unless you were as a kid.
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@johnarlington: My problem with those school fund raisers was 1) we lived in a city where most people didn't have a lot of extra income and 2) the stuff we sold was usually either dumb or obscenely expensive even for people who aren't broke.
I think the worst was the year in middle school they asked us to sell Vidalia onions. Freaking ONIONS.
@johnarlington: There's so much scammy crap going around these days, I like knowing that the money actually goes to a non-profit that makes adorable outfits for girls, and maybe involves from camping.
I run into kids all the time selling candy, or trying to collect money for their [sports team, whatever], and I can usually tell when they're just scamming.
When you see a cadre of brownies with a pile of cookie boxes, you can be pretty sure that your money is actually going to the organization.
@johnarlington: umm, it helps teach the kids valuable life skills like communication, determination, community spirit, and helps them learn how to work hard for something they want. its not like youre putting them on the assembly line. you are asking them spend a few saturday afternoon knocking on their neighbors doors.
the point is to get the kids out into his community and start talking to his/her neighbors and friends.... and make some change to help their group.
if you dont want your kid learning those skills, then write their group a check and let your kids watch cartoons on saturday.
@snazz: Yeah, having your kids working it to sell cookies teaches them the skills they need to work the pole when they are a stripper at the TATA Club, but nothing else.
I also would say it opens your child up to talking to strangers which is something I would teach my children to not got to somebodies house that you dont know.
Finally, I am sick of all you parents who think I want your fucking kids candy, seeds, pizza dough kits, cookies, flowers etc etc. STOP IT NOW. I have work to do and we arent there to finance your brats trip or uniforms
@snazz: You're my hero -- thank you for stating that much more eloquently than I could!! I'm so tired of PARENTS selling girl scout cookies because they don't want their poor children to have to do it.
@snazz: I remember I used to do those school fund raisers. My dad was a drinker, so I spent a lot of time at a bar. I left it on the counter and played pinball. I think I raised like $250-$350 for the school, and my reward was this little plastic gumball machine that probably cost a couple bucks to make.
I think the final straw was when we were selling magazines, and my only sale was convincing my dad to get me Nintendo Power. The only problem was, the subscription never came, and they said they couldn't find my order. If only I could've taken the issue to The Consumerist.
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@johnarlington: I like getting something in return. After all, a few boxes of cookies in return for giving some money to the Girl Scouts is a win-win. Trying to convince people to just pony up money without an incentive is awfully difficult.
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I have to agree about the children selling candy bars for school. I think its pretty pathetic and probably a safety issue.
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@JGKojak: When I was young I had plan for that. I would eat a whole bunch therefore my mother had to buy them. Worked every time.
please every one remember : you buy these to support your kids, your neighborhood, your community. you do NOT buy them for the value, quantity, deal or whatever
shame on consumerist for putting a negative spin on these and possibly causing some people to not buy them this year.
you buy these to support your kids, your neighborhood, your community. you do NOT buy them for the value, quantity, deal or whatever
@snazz: Wrong. I buy them because Trefoils are awesome and I have no willpower.
@Rectilinear Propagation: I buy 'em b/c the store brands just do not compare, taste-wise (yes I've tried them)
plus I used to be a Girl Scout and it's defintely a worthwhile organization, my (future) kids will be enrolled in Scouting orgs. Still have found memories of s'mores and making grilled cheese on coffee cans...
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@snazz: There are better reasons not to buy the cookies than inflation sizing.
I won't go into them here because some people go into a tizzy when I explain them in other places.
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@snazz: Good God! The article is only 50 words long and you still didn't read it?? Consumerist is not \"putting a negative spin\" on anything; they didn't say \"those evil Brownies are ripping off consumers\" - they just said it was \"tragic\" that the public will not be able to buy Girl Scout cookies at the same price as we have in previous years, and stated the basic facts of the situation.
I can tell your favorite equation forms a hyperbola.
@snazz: Shame on Girl Scouts for not being upfront about getting less for the money.
Charitable organizations and the such need to understand that once they're not relying on donations and shift to profit on sold items, they have just as much responsibility to the customer for the product they represent as any large faceless corporation does. I'd say more so because they are supposed to be the shining example of how people should behave (ie. not like a bunch of creeps.)
If they would have said \"oh, hay, look, this year our Thin Mints are going to be smaller\" how many people would look at the little uniformed girl in front of them and put the cash back in their pocket? No, they wouldn't. But to avoid any kind of scrutiny whatsoever they hide behind stealth shrink raying and teach girls how to be sneaky.
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@snazz: If you actually want to support your kids/neighborhood/etc there are plenty of better ways to do it than with GS cookies.
Get used to the shrink ray stories - they still think its news that OMG companies shrink boxes but not prices.
@ZekeSulastin: I doubt most people keep a big database with the sizes of all the products they buy so that they can tell when it gets smaller. I couldn't even tell bottles of Dawn got smaller until they pointed it out.
@Rectilinear Propagation: And finding that out menat that the product was less effective? In fact, you would have been a bitch if they raised their prices saying how they were ripping you off with such outrageous prices
@snazz: So it is not shame for Girl Scouts Central to consider about prices and costs, but for us to consider the same issues, is shameful?
Nooooo! Now I will just have an excuse to buy another box of Thin Mints this year.
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You don't buy Girl Scout cookies just for the cookies. You buy them for the mutual benefit of helping the Girl Scouts AND the cookies!
Anyway, the only cookie shrink ray depression for me occurred the last time I bought Keeblers Deluxe Fudge Grahams. They used to be wonderful, now they are these little pathetic chips of cracker thinly coated with chocolate. I've never bought a box since.
I blame the low recruiting efforts as the cause of not enough Girl Scouts being available to become cookies.
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@Mr.B-Natural_GitEmSteveDave: I'm currently in the Boy Scouts, FIrst Class towards Star Scout, and the one thing I hate is how Girl Scouts aways sell better food than us. All we get to sell is popcorn that is mediocre at best.
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Damn it, I just bought $40 of Thin Mints!
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@Thaddeus: If you bought those here in NYC, that means 10 boxes of shrunken Thin Mints. And I thought I was eating too many when I bought 6 boxes of stuff.
I am waiting for my boxes of their new Dulce de Leche flavor cookies.
As others have said, we don't buy 'em because they're a good value (at least not in recent years due to the shrink ray that hits about every other year - or it seems like that). We buy 'em to support the GS and value or not they are good cookies.
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Make your own thin mints!
1. Bakers dark chocolate
2. Mint flavoring (just 1 or 2 drops if it's not diluted)
3. Ritz crackers
Melt, dip, cool!
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That's why Girlscouts should start selling Beef Jerky instead of those pansy cookies. MAN UP GIRL SCOUTS... MAN UP.
...oh, by the way, shoot me a note if you want to order some. My daughter is selling them.
Commodities went up 30%...but then they went back down. In any case they should have just raised the price since you buy them unseen. Of course you also think you're supporting pubescent girls learn skills, but they just use the money to go on vacation to Disney Land or something.
@orlo: The cookies are priced in even amounts ($3.00, $3.50 or $4 depending on area) to make it easy on the younger girls to do the math while selling. If they raised the price just to cover the rise in commodities, they'd have to raise the price more than the 30% increase in sugar or whatever. In these tough economic times, that would just make it even more difficult to sell boxes.
Also, merely giving money directly to a troop or girl does not help the local council pay for upkeep on the camps, paying for administrative and safety personnel or subsidizing activities for girls who couldn't otherwise afford to go to camp or participate in scouting. I volunteer with a group of girl scouts who live in Section 8 housing. They pay only $1 to participate in the monthly activities we provide to earn badges. Neither the $1 fee nor the amount of money raised in individual cookie sales comes close to covering the cost of the supplies for the activities or the cost of camp.
@orlo: My co-worker's Girl Scout Troop went to Washington DC and then went to go help build houses in Mississippi. Usually, Girl Scouts are raising money to either attend Girl Scouting events, or to to help volunteer work.
@orlo: Yep, its up to the troop leader what they do with the money. And they did raise the price, too, but it depends on where you are. Here in Wisconsin, I have seen prices from $3- $4 per box.
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I remember them being smaller last year, too, but the worst casualty has been my treasured Samoas -- oh, what have they done to you, my pretties??
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\"I could have bought a big thing of Oreos for three bucks,\" adds other customer Wendy Smoot.
Oh, Wendy, you're a woman after my heart.
No, seriously. I see this woman going through \"a big thing of Oreos\" on a daily basis and she's in dire need of a transplant.
Do I just remember wrong or did Thin Mints used to be actual mints? Meaning they used to have a soft white center of mint flavored something, dipped in chocolate instead of the wafer crunchy thing dipped in chocolate they are now. Isn't that the way they used to be?
Oh well.
I spent $30 last year. I guess I will need to spend $40 this year for the same amount of cookies.
Ain't like the increased price is going to kill me.
(eating all them cookies might kill me, but not the increase in price/decrease in package size )
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Off topic, but are the peanut butter girl scout cookies safe to eat?
Damn it! Is nothing sacred. There have been riots for less!
First of all, you can plainly see in the picture that while they are comparing the size of the boxes, the box in back is lower than the other one. Secondly, the money is going to a non-profit organization. The cookie sale is the biggest fundraisers the Girl Scouts do and the money goes to pay for events, uniforms, field trips, etc. Also, contrary to what many people believe, the Girl Scouts don't make the cookies. They have to pay a commercial baker (which there are two in the country)for the cookies as well. Therefore, the baker raises their prices, the Girl Scouts must raise the prices to still get funds.
How ignorant do you have to be to not understand this isn't simply about raising prices? The Girl Scouts had a conscious choice to either raise the price slightly on the same amount of product or deceive the public and teach the girls shady business practices. They chose the latter and are, therefore no different than any of the other shady companies that are doing this.
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Oh well - it will even out. Pay more for fewer cookies, but gain a huge savings at the gym and for medical costs. This might even be saving us money.
Do they charge different prices for different areas of the country? The local troops here in NC are selling them for $3.50, but a young relative's troop in CT is selling them for $4.00. (buy 5 - make it an even $20 is what I was told).
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Someone told me about this so I checked the boxes from this year with some I still have left from last year. I only had Thin Mints and Caramel deLites (Samoas) left. They were the same weights.
The Girl Scouts of Central Texas use ABC Bakers for their cookies. The names are diffent on some cookies like Tagalongs are Peanut Butter Patties, Do-si-dos are Peanut Butter Sandwiches, Trefoils are Shortbreads, and the Thin Mints have a ridged edge instead of smooth.
The other cookies seemed to be the same weight and price as they were last year.
And BTW our troop gets 10% of sales and then an additional 5% bonus. So last year our troop alone made $3000 with 15 girls selling. And we made them sell door-to-door and participate in at least one booth sale. The girls get bonuses to go to camp. The council gets a lot of the money, but they spend a lot on the girls. And like someone previously said, they have to do background checks on all the volunteers.
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@BlackBirdTA: It seems that different regions use different bakeries, and you can even get different stuff.
I know for the DC area, they use \"Little Brownie Bakers\" as their supplier, and they have some kind of lemon sandwich cookie. Just north of us in Pennsylvania, they use a different baker (I'd have to go look it up) and their lemon cookies are known as Lemonades, which look like lemon slices with lemon frosting on the bottom. I actually ask one of my friends to get those for me instead.
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Once Oreo created the white version that tastes identical to GGC, I never bought them again. They're overpriced, and the kids don't sell them anymore, the parents do.
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It's the Girl Scouts people, you aren't paying for the cookies, you're giving the children in your area a chance to go to camp and have fun. The Cookies are a bonus.
Suck it up and buy 12 boxes, cheapskates.
By that logic, wouldn't it be better to give your local girl scout $0.75 and then go buy a box of Oreos for $1.00? The girl gets the same amount of money and you get a better deal!
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Is any portion of the price of girl scout cookies considered a charitable donation for taxes?
I still ordered 8 boxes today at work, I need to feed my thin mints and tagalongs addiction
This is one of those products where they could have just raised the price a bit more. I mean seriously, aside from supporting a good cause (and the guilt associated with not doing so) and the cookies basically being the snackfood equivalent of crack, I'm guessing people will still pay.
$3.50 a box? Try $4.00 here ... but sooo yummy who cares lol. We just about knocked the socks off the adorable Brownie that came by selling by ordering $56.00 worth! :D
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If I am not mistaken, they product has shrunk at least once of not twice since I was a kid. I remember a few years ago wondering if I was losing my mind or was I getting less cookies that year.
I also have to agree with some of the above posters - I have not seen a GS sell me a box in years - it is always some co-worker, boss etc posting the order form at work etc. So annoying.
I just wish they would get rid of the trans fats so I could eat these again.
I think the GS need to come up with a better way to raise money. The company who makes the cookies make more of a profit than the GS do. For shame to those few companies who are allowed to make GS cookies to begin with. With the product getting smaller again, I am less likely to buy them next year. But I would gladly donate money with out buying a product from the GS. New fund raiseing ideals need to be submitted to help the GS.
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Honestly, this doesn't really bother me because I love supporting the Girl Scouts. I used to be a Brownie and I can't get enough of the cookies. My favorite are tagalongs, thin mints, and samoas.
@dripdrop: Supporting Girl Scouts? Just give them the money then. No sense in putting the kids, parents and the organization through all this work.
@dripdrop: I haven't bought a single box since they got rid of the sugar cookies several years ago. I used to buy 12 or more boxes of those and freeze them so I had them all year.
@dripdrop: See my post below. You're not supporting the girls as much as you think you are.