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Daniel Parmelee
January 13, 2009 6:38 PM
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Why is it that two-thirds of all crimes seem to be committed either inside of, near, or because of Wal-Mart?

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mariospants
January 14, 2009 1:46 AM
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@Daniel Parmelee: \"Why is it that two-thirds of all crimes seem to be committed either inside of, near, or because of Wal-Mart?\"

Because two-thirds of America is covered with Wal-Marts, that's why.

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cuchanu
January 13, 2009 7:11 PM
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@Daniel Parmelee: Because 2/3 of people are shopping at wal-mart. And because they are the retailer America loves to hate.

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Jackasimov
January 13, 2009 10:30 PM
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@cuchanu: I don't love to hate them, I just do it because they deserve it.

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layton59
January 14, 2009 2:16 AM
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@Jackasimov: Simple solution, shop some place else and do not talk about them. You hate WAL-MART like you really love WAL-MART.

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TechnoDestructo
January 13, 2009 6:52 PM
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@Daniel Parmelee:

Because in areas where that is the case, walmart has all but replaced the other places which in times past would have been the venues for those crimes.

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KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave
January 13, 2009 6:59 PM
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@Ash78: \"I'm so sorry my grocer committed you. We'll never shop there again!\"

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redskull
January 13, 2009 7:55 PM
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@KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave: Haw! That reminds me of when I worked at a grocery store while in college. Whenever we'd catch someone shoplifting (redhanded, I might add) they'd always indignantly yell, \"I'll never shop in this dump again!!!\" Yeah, that's kind of the point, losers!

Look at those 2 mug shots: at the very least, young master Pluhar knows exactly what he's going to look like when he gets older. They've got the exact same eyes, nose, mouth, everything!

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m4ximusprim3
January 13, 2009 8:26 PM
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@redskull: That tends to happen when your father and mother are brother and sister.

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billbillbillbill
January 13, 2009 6:39 PM
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Boy, how many times someone has done this and you wished you could do something. Pretty funny stuff!

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Brunette Bookworm
January 14, 2009 8:02 PM
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@billbillbillbill: HA! I actually did say something to a woman one time. Her mom was in line in front of me and she jumped in with her even though they were paying seperately. The woman had all kind of these little figurines the cashier had to wrap up. I asked her, \"Don't you think it's rude to cut in front of everyone?\" She said no...and she was probably in her 40s, not a teenager jumping into the line with her mom.

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savvy9999
January 13, 2009 8:26 PM
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@billbillbillbill: At a large outdoor sporting event this fall, before the game, waiting in line for like a 1/2 hour to take a **** at a Port-A-John, one guy jumped the line.

The entire line was shocked. Until we gleefully realized that we could use a shoelace and whatnot to tie the door shut from the outside. From a distance, I could see the cops come by about an hour later to cut him out, I guess he called 911 on his cell phone.

Justice can sometimes be served immediately.

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Rectilinear Propagation
January 13, 2009 9:04 PM
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@savvy9999: That is hysterical and made my day.

I guess either everyone in the vicinity saw him cut or he was too proud to shout for help.

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chargernj
January 13, 2009 8:29 PM
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@savvy9999: justice would have been tying it closed and knocking it over.

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savvy9999
January 13, 2009 9:54 PM
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@chargernj: That option was discussed, but the Port-A-Johns were all bolted together on to a wood pallet. Tipping the one would have meant tipping them all, and well, as much fun as it was playing Judge Dredd, we all still had to **** somewhere.

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cuchanu
January 13, 2009 7:13 PM
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@billbillbillbill: Yeah, I usually just keep my mouth shut because I don't want to somebody to escalate the situation, but secretly I'm beating them up in my head.

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j-o-h-n
January 13, 2009 6:40 PM
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My faith in the world is restored for a day!

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KyleOrton
January 13, 2009 6:42 PM
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I know this is not how Dane Cook would have handled the situation.

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downwithmonstercable
January 13, 2009 7:21 PM
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@KyleOrton: He would've stolen ideas from someone else and acted them out :)

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downwithmonstercable
January 13, 2009 7:41 PM
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@Davan & Geoff: BAH, you both beat me, and I had even refreshed before I posted :)

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Davan
January 13, 2009 7:19 PM
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@KyleOrton: Well, it will be now that he has heard about it and can copy it.

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KyleOrton
January 13, 2009 7:46 PM
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@Davan: It's not copying if you yell more!

Nah, can't disagree. :)

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Geoff
January 13, 2009 7:20 PM
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@Davan: If my internet wasn't so slow, I would've been in before you, Davan. Good work!

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nicemarmot617
January 13, 2009 6:42 PM
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Haha...I would LOVE to see someone try to cut in line like that in NYC! Then you'd be hearing about a mass stabbing at the Wal Mart!

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mellisn
January 15, 2009 2:39 AM
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@nicemarmot617:

there are no Walmarts in NYC

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craigkay
January 13, 2009 6:42 PM
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Walmart: You Cut the Line, You Do the Time.

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RodAox
January 13, 2009 6:43 PM
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look up karma in the dictionary and should find a description similar to this...

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aliasmisskat
January 13, 2009 6:45 PM
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Frankfort is not a nice place, really. I don't like to drive through it, let alone have the balls to cut in front of someone at Wal-Mart. Guys are lucky they just went to jail.

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? graffiksguru
January 13, 2009 6:46 PM
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This story is awesome. Glad to see the line-cutters get what they deserve.

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SillyRed
January 13, 2009 6:46 PM
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I am so happy about this! But that's because I'm all about right/wrong. :)


And how could anyone possibly dis the home of the Frankfurt Festival?! Or whatever they call their hot dog thing.

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consumer-warrior
January 13, 2009 6:46 PM
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Bravo!

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thepassenger
January 13, 2009 6:48 PM
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Fortunately this doesn't happen to me often, but when it does I like to go with attempting to shame the offender. I put on my \"outside voice\" and go, \"EXCUSE ME, THE END OF THE LINE IS BACK THERE...\" This tends to result in someone else in line speaking up too. Add more than one voice to yours, and you're that much more likely to get the attention of a manager or other authority figure.

But if the law opts to get involved, even better.

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trujunglist
January 13, 2009 11:46 PM
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@downwithmonstercable:

That happened to me too, but I was working at a gas station. Dude came in crazy-like ranting about how we didn't have water, where the fuck is the water? oh right in front me? why the fuck isn't it over here etc etc. Then he tried to cut in line. I ignored him, so he yelled at me, threatening me, literally like 3 feet in front me, for what had to be at least 10 minutes, while for some reason the people who were actually in line started insulting me as if it were my fault that a crackhead maniac was being a dick head. After I helped everyone else in the entire store, I finally accepted his money for the water, about $1.35 or so, but he wanted the change on the gas pump, which was something like 16 cents! I was like, uhh, dude you're fucking done, and I grabbed the pepper spray and chased him down the street. He was so scared he left his car at the pump! I had the car towed. I quit that crap job the next day.

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incognit000
January 13, 2009 6:53 PM
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Why get so bent out of shape? It's not like Wal Mart would give you your money back if you made it to the front of the line.

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kathyl
January 13, 2009 6:53 PM
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I can't tell you how many times I've seen smaller injustices (getting cut in front of in line and then threatened if you speak up) like this and thought to myself, \"See, and all of our policeman are stuck at speed traps and stuff like that and they're never here to keep the peace in this small but meaningful ways.\"

Nice to see I was wrong at least once. We really need these bullies like this lovely father and son pair knocked back down a peg more often.

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XTC46
January 13, 2009 9:25 PM
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@kathyl: Id rather have cops stopping people who are speeding and actually breaking the law then standing in stores monitoring the line to make sure no one cuts in it.

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Corporate_guy
January 13, 2009 6:56 PM
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Although I find this hilarious. Cops really need to charge people when they stand behind a vehicle in an attempt to block a person's exit. It's not right to charge the driver for backing out for hitting a person who refused to move. In these cases the person who was hit knew the vehicle was backing up and purposely stood behind it. You shouldn't be able to purposely throw yourself behind a moving vehicle and be considered the victim.

The threats in the store are legit charges, but hitting an idiot who is purposely standing in front of a moving vehicle cannot logically be the fault of the driver.

It does sound like though that the \"might shoot him\" part is something the cop is over exagerating to make the threats be more serious so he can claim he had a right to detain the guy. i.e. stand behind his van.

The worst part of this is that the cop knows full well all he needed was the license plate number and a squad would have been parked in their driveway by the time they got home.

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Kevin Neveloff
January 13, 2009 7:25 PM
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@Corporate_guy: Actually I couldn't disagree with you more regarding the whole hitting the cop with the car issue. They were attempting to flee the scene of a crime. They were fully aware of the fact that he was behind the car and chose to back up into him, albeit slowly, all the same. It's on thing for him to have made his heated comments to the officer when there was no awareness of his status as a police officer. It's an entirely different one to back up into him knowingly.

Unless there is a fear of imminent bodily harm you may not resort to self help in the form of physical force.

Only a complete moron does anything forceful or disobedient towards a cop because in the process of being detained and/or arrested they hold all the cards and you'll just end up getting charged with something on top of what they originally stopped you for. Go along with the ride and then sort everything out...

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DrGirlfriend
January 13, 2009 8:08 PM
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@lannister80: I would call assault, especially on a police officer, a crime.

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Cogito Ergo Bibo
January 13, 2009 7:21 PM
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@Corporate_guy: Have to go with what's been said already. The fleeing duo were resisting arrest. That too is a crime. The officer found a creative, non-threatening way to hold these two. It's their own fault if they want to add battery of a police officer to assault and resisting arrest.

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Corporate_guy
January 13, 2009 10:13 PM
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@Cogito Ergo Bibo: No arrest was involved. In fact the off duty officer has zero authority as a cop in this situation. That is why I think he is stressing the gun part. Off duty police may have authority in felony situations where there is risk of public safety. But in the end no matter the crime, unless that officer was acting with full police authority he should be charged for standing behind a moving vehicle with the intent to force the driver to harm the him or submit to illegal detainment.

I don't care what the guy did, people really need to be charged when they decide to use their own body as an illegal road block. It's one of those things where you have no right to purposely injure yourself because in doing so you adversely effect other people. An ambulance may have to be called, a doctor may need to waste time fixing you, the driver now has to stick around because he has now been forced into an accident, police will have to waste their time dealing with an accident in a busy area rather than a simple house call to check out the accused perp, etc. Purposely injuring yourself never involves just you. Time and resources get wasted and you should pay for it.

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Mike the Dog
January 17, 2009 4:24 PM
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@Corporate_guy: Threatening to shoot someone is by definition Assault with a Deadly Weapon, whether or not you actually possess the means to do so (don't believe me? Ask a judge). ADW is a felony. Private citizens are legally empowered to detain felons. Trying to run someone over who is attempting to legally detain you is also ADW. Considering that this off-duty officer was assaulted not once but twice and was probably carrying a concealed weapon (many departments require their officers to do so), he could probably have justifiably shot the guy instead of simply detaining him. I'm sure you'd be even more upset had that happened.

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MrBlastotron
January 14, 2009 5:39 PM
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@Corporate_guy: All other points aside, I think people seem to be missing the fact that the cop wasn't injured by the van. He wasn't standing there to intentionally harm himself. He was standing there to prevent the mobility of the vehicle, and as Cogito Ergo Bibo notes, as long as he has taken the precaution of properly identifying himself, he does have the authority to detain the perpetrators. This happened to be a creative way to doing so without physically detaining each individual person. And given the common sense of all people (idiot or not) no one is going to back over a cop over a Wal-Mart dispute.

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Cogito Ergo Bibo
January 13, 2009 11:33 PM
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@Corporate_guy: The Supreme Court of Indiana refused to hear this case just last year, which seems very similar to the Walmart situation: [www.in.gov] \"Resisting law enforcement\" would appear to be the correct nomenclature in Indiana. Upheld when a person attempted to drive away from a non-uniformed, off-duty police officer who was trying to ticket him. In the Walmart case, it would apparently come down to whether or not the officer clearly identified himself as such and was obviously trying to detain the suspect. That's really the issue. But theoretically, an off-duty officer sufficiently identifying himself as a police officer and clearly ordering a citizen to stay put for purposes of further processing would be open to a resisting law enforcement charge in that State. I merely knew what would happen in my own State. An off-duty officer has exactly the same powers as an on-duty one, here (under similar circumstances as in Indiana).

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RecordStoreToughGuy_starcommandseries.com
January 13, 2009 11:11 PM
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@Corporate_guy: Off duty or not, threatening harm to a cop is generally frowned upon.

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jswilson64
January 13, 2009 9:11 PM
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@Cogito Ergo Bibo: They weren't \"resisting arrest\" because he wasn't trying to arrest them.


Maybe they were \"evading\" arrest, but not \"resisting.\" Sheesh, I wish people would get their vocabulary right!

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docrice
January 13, 2009 7:47 PM
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@Cogito Ergo Bibo:
I don't think it's resisting arrest if you walk away from an off-duty officer...it's not wise, but not illegal.


Now hitting him with your car is just stupid. Assulting a police officer, much? Add that to threating an officer, and -if they wanted to be sticklers- wreckless driving, wreckless endangerment, etc. Those guys are gonna regret being jackasses by the time this is all said and done... will it change them? probably not. Next time they cut at walmart and someone confronts them, there will be a little more dialog...


Line Guy: \"Hey you can't do that\"
Idiot: \"You a cop?\"
Line Guy: \"No\"
Idiot: \"Why I oughta...\"

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Wit
January 13, 2009 7:15 PM
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@Corporate_guy: The worst part of this is that the cop knows full well all he needed was the license plate number and a squad would have been parked in their driveway by the time they got home.

Not if the vehicle was stolen. There's also going to be a heck of a lot bigger of an ID issue to prove, plus there's no guarantee what'll happen next, and uncertainty can be dangerous.

Also, in regard to your \"cops really need to charge people who stand behind vehicles\" - one would think that getting run over was punishment enough.

Way to blame the victim!

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GearheadGeek
January 13, 2009 7:03 PM
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@Corporate_guy: If the person blocking your vehicle is threatening your safety, you'd have the right to strike them with the vehicle in self defense. If they have identified themselves as a police officer and informed you that you're being detained, your right to assault them with your vehicle is much less clear, and unlikely to be upheld in court.

If you feel that they are detaining you unjustly, place your own 911 call, or wait for the officers they've informed you are en route and explain your case. If you've threatened the officer with bodily harm directly prior to his blocking your exit, your chances of prevailing in this matter are probably very slim, and rightly so.

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mpaquette
January 13, 2009 6:57 PM
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I have nothing to add other than, ha ha, serves you right.

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KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave
January 13, 2009 6:57 PM
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I remember being in line at Great Adventure around Halloween for Fright Fest. The line was LONG, extending into one of the stadiums there. This was around the Red Sox-Yankees World Series race. My Ex and I were in line and this lady who was decked out in Red Sox gear and talking loudly on the phone about how great they were tried to cut. A chant started of \"Cut-ter, Cut-ter\" till there were literally hundreds of people chanting and pointing at this lady. Security came in and removed her, to a HUGE round of applause.

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SybilDisobedience
January 13, 2009 8:46 PM
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@KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave: For some reason, I find that story really heartwarming. Though it'd be better if she acknowledged her public shaming by getting embarrassed - did she?

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KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave
January 13, 2009 8:52 PM
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@SybilDisobedience: Getting dragged out of the stadium by GA security guards to loud applause, you better believe it. But not as embarrassed as I was when the Soxs beat us later that year.

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hunter3742
January 13, 2009 6:58 PM
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LMFAO - I went to school with the younger guy, the dad coached our basketball team. This kind of thing isn't all that terribly surprising from the younger Pluhar, would've expected better from Sr. though.

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pegr
January 13, 2009 7:04 PM
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@hunter3742:


Junior had to learn it from somewhere. Nice thing is that they get to learn together this time!

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tc4b
January 13, 2009 7:14 PM
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@pegr: Come on, do you really think they're going to learn anything?

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axiomatic
January 13, 2009 8:58 PM
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@tc4b: The only thing these two learned was that their anger can now be amplified more to get what they want.

...and that they are in fact losers.

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hunter3742
January 13, 2009 7:03 PM
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It also bears mentioning that these two are huge - Eddie (the younger guy) was something like 6'5\" last I saw him - as a freshman who was still growing. The dad is at least 6'2\". They can be fairly intimidating.

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lalaland13
January 13, 2009 6:58 PM
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Did they really have to say posterior? That's what cracks me up. I'm not sure why. Maybe \"threatened with bodily harm\" would work better? Of course, newspapers have always struggled with how to convey the threat of a good ass-whoopin.

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KyleOrton
January 13, 2009 7:12 PM
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@lalaland13: I'd go with \"I'm going to boot your coccyx!\"

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KesselRunner_GitEmSteveDave
January 13, 2009 7:02 PM
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@lalaland13: He said he would, quote, \"apply his podiatric area to the gentleman's glutoid area with force\" end quote.

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Confuzius
January 13, 2009 6:59 PM
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$10 says they were trying to \"return\" something they picked up off the shelf too!

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asten77
January 13, 2009 7:00 PM
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I used to work at a service desk at a much classier competitor of wal-mart. People try this crap all the time. I don't know why they think that they're somehow more deserving than everyone else, but it's sadly not uncommon.

It's an unwritten rule at the service desk - if someone behaves like a decent human being, the policies are a lot more relaxed for them than for the jackass that comes in and throws a fit, cuts in line, etc, etc.

Guys like this.. heh, we saw them, pretended we weren't watching, then promptly went to the rightful next customer.

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downwithmonstercable
January 13, 2009 7:25 PM
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@asten77: When I worked retail in college, a guy threatened to kill me after I refused to help him after he cut. Later, I added a bunch of movie rentals to his account (that he didn't rent) and he went to collections over it. I feel a little bad it went that far. It was all cleared up eventually as a \"glitch in the system\". But I was still satisfied he had to go through all that to clear his account. I would've gladly just punched him in the face rather than doing that though.

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cynical_bastard
January 13, 2009 7:13 PM
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@asten77: \"It's an unwritten rule at the service desk - if someone behaves like a decent human being, the policies are a lot more relaxed for them than for the jackass that comes in and throws a fit, cuts in line, etc, etc.\"

Thats customer service in general...

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shepd
January 13, 2009 7:01 PM
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If only someone would do this for the Boxing Day (insert your country's line-up-for-deals-day) sales. Every other time I go to one there's someone trying to cut into line. Half the time the managers at the stores turn a blind eye to it. I'm going to bring raffle tickets next time...

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smallestmills
January 13, 2009 7:13 PM
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@shepd:
As an employee, a lot of times I was busy with the customer right in front of me and didn't want to take my attention from them to monitor a line full of adults. I depend on the customers to police themselves and act civil. When I do get a sense that someone has cut, I usually ask, something to the tune of \"Wasn't the person behind you next,\" or \"Oh, I apologize for the confusion, but the line starts back there...\" as non-accusatory as possible.

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MoCo
January 13, 2009 7:08 PM
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The best time to return something to Walmart is 10 minutes before closing. The lines are short and they move fast because the employees want to get home. Also, the employees are tired and don't want to argue, so they'll take back even a half-eaten ham without any questions.

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sean98125
January 13, 2009 8:31 PM
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@MoCo: Well that explains why we didn't seem to have enough ham for everyone at dinner that one time...

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Parapraxis
January 13, 2009 7:37 PM
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@MoCo:

what about a 3/4 eaten ham?

Hmmm.....

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P41
January 13, 2009 7:14 PM
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As much as we wish people who cut in line could go to jail, I'm going to say threatening the police officer was kinda the key element here.

I'm going to venture a guess that the officer wasn't armed, he didn't do quite the smartest things letting them leave the store, hop into their van where they might have a shotgun under the seat, and then run into him.

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downwithmonstercable
January 13, 2009 7:39 PM
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@P41: It was definitely the treats, especially when the cop asked what his intentions were if they stepped outside. I doubt he had much of a choice though about him getting in the car, at this point there was probably nothing he could actually hold him for, and probably didn't have any equipment to do so. he should've let them leave and tell his bros over the police radio where they were headed to intercept them. No sense in getting killed over some idiot cutting.

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Paul Dmytrewycz
January 13, 2009 7:19 PM
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\"Indiana: We've got more arrogant rednecks than most Southern states!\"

Full disclosure: I live in Kentucky, and Indiana scares me.

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bohemian
January 13, 2009 9:22 PM
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@Paul Dmytrewycz: I thought it was just me. Indiana is both scary and depressing. I think it is all the rednecks that the south couldn't deal with.

I think Walmarts in Indiana is where Mike Judge got the idea for Idiocracy. At least the clothes.

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hwyengr
January 13, 2009 8:32 PM
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@Paul Dmytrewycz: Or, as my boss always says, \"Indiana: The northernmost of the southern states.\"

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Borax-Johnson
January 13, 2009 7:20 PM
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That's what happens when \"uncle dad\" takes his sn out for a nice day of shopping.

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drjayphd
January 13, 2009 8:16 PM
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@Borax-Johnson: It didn't help that the pair also were quoted as saying \"oh, a lesson in not cutting in line from Mr. I'm My Own Grandfather! Let's just steal the damn dish and get out of here!\"

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CubeRat
January 13, 2009 9:48 PM
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@drjayphd:


*sniff sniff* What smells like blue?


Anyways, I wonder if we'll ever find out what is going to happen to this daring duo, who laughs in the eyes of the law.

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JakeChance84
January 13, 2009 7:23 PM
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On the one hand, it seems like what could have been an idle threat was escalated when it might have been simpler to let the idiot go home and brood. On the other hand, people need to learn to treat each other better and simply won't unless they're being watched.

It's just like when police pull over the guy doing 75, but not the jerk weaving in and out of traffic at 60. We need more cops out of their little speed traps and in our centers of commerce. Maybe a few positioned at Chuck E. Cheese seeing how many fights break out there.

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anaisnun
January 13, 2009 7:44 PM
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It would be fascinating to see how different and infinitely more entertaining the outcome of this scenario would have been if it had happened in the downtown Walmart in my city, Long Beach, CA.
Ha ha ha....

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Rectilinear Propagation
January 13, 2009 7:42 PM
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It's just like when police pull over the guy doing 75, but not the jerk weaving in and out of traffic at 60.

@JakeChance84: Or the idiots who follow too closely or go across multiple lanes of traffic without signaling.

While \"I'm gonna kick your ass\" might be an idle threat I think it's smart to take any threat of shooting someone seriously.

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johnva
January 13, 2009 7:42 PM
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@JakeChance84: I think this stuff is really just indicative of how strangers don't want to stand up for basic adult civility anymore. The scum who have no regard for anyone around them just take advantage of the situation because they know that 99% of the time people will be pissed but no one will really do anything about it. I will speak up if someone does something really deserving of, like when I saw this idiot mother with kids cut in the line to get on the tram at the zoo a month ago, even cutting in front of multiple people in wheelchairs, with disabilities, etc who were getting on the tram because they COULDN'T walk long distances. Multiple people complained but she just stood there and didn't make eye contact. I think that because this is really a very small percentage of people that act like this, the correct solution is for stores to just throw them out and ban them from returning. Any lost business would be more than made up for by the gratitude of the other patrons.

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bohemian
January 13, 2009 9:25 PM
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@johnva: I see people do this kind of thing frequently. The few times I have spoken up or even made a facial gesture of displeasure has resulted in someone getting in my face. I wish more people would stand up to this crap, there is power in numbers.

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January 13, 2009 7:34 PM
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He shouldn't have done that but if someone (not a cop on duty) stood behind my truck, trying to block me on purpose, I'd run him over without hesitation.

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josephbloseph
January 13, 2009 7:46 PM
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The real losers in this story are the comments on the local news source article. An awful lot of people seem to know the officer involved, and have widely varied opinions of him.

In any case, the fact of the matter is that who started the exchange is irrelevant. Much like how you should expect to get hassled if you *mention* any sort of threat, harm, or security issue at an airport, the same expectation should be held when threatening to shoot someone. \"When Kirby asked Pluhar Sr. what his intentions were, the Frankfort man purportedly said he would kick Kirby's posterior and also suggested he might shoot him.\" When you threaten anybody, and going so far as to suggest that you might shoot them, you've just committed a crime. If that person happens to be a police officer, you've got pretty good odds on being called on it. Allegedly bumping into the officer's leg as he blocks you in the parking lot doesn't help you out that much, but it probably won't be the sticking point, considering that there were probably more witnesses on hand for the threat of shooting.

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extremenachos
January 13, 2009 7:52 PM
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I grew up near Frankfurt, swear on my life their High School team mascot is the Frankfurt Hot Dogs. Swear on my life. Visit there school website and click on the sports tab if you doubt me.


[highschool.frankfort.k12.in.us]

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Claytons
January 13, 2009 8:05 PM
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I've been threatened with posterior kickings more than once at Walmart for such minor infractions as making eye contact and not getting out of the way of an under the influence shopping cart driver. Seriously, Walmart makes me lose faith in humanity. I've seen dogs behave better than half the customers I encounter at Walmart. Yet, somehow the success of Walmart is in many ways analogous to the success of our own brand of freedom.

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Adisharr
January 13, 2009 8:09 PM
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Anytime I'm in a Walmart (against my will of course) I usually notice that the quality of people seems to drop a few notches. More missing teeth, uncombed hair, etc..

It makes me feel better about myself for a while until I realize that I'm shopping at Walmart.

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johnarlington
January 13, 2009 8:10 PM
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Of course in the US there is the expectation that a line forms and you wait your turn for service. No such custom seems to exist in Russia. You just kind of push your way up front and everything works itself out.

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West Coast Secessionist
January 14, 2009 3:42 AM
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@johnarlington: In Soviet Russia LINE waits in YOU!

/sorry couldn't resist!

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jamar0303
January 15, 2009 5:04 AM
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@Claytons: YES! One of my biggest issues living here is the fact that everyone pushes. Such a contrast to Hong Kong. They got lucky. Almost (ALMOST!) makes me wish the rest of China was also British for most of the 20th century- that seems to be the main difference.

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uomdeacon
January 13, 2009 9:34 PM
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@Claytons: Very true. I was just there 2 months ago. Apparently if my crotch is not firmly attached to the buttocks of the person in front of me in line, someone will squeeze into that space. This was a stark contrast to here in the States...but if you want to see people waiting politely, nothing quite compares to Japan. There they even stand in the designated line areas when waiting to get onto the subway during morning rush hour.

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pastabatman
January 13, 2009 9:56 PM
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@uomdeacon:

I was just there 2 months ago as well (both china and japan)

Tokyo should be where we send idiots to learn exactly how to behave in a city. i'm from NYC and I could send 1/2 the population over there for some schooling.

Mainland China is another story. They're winging it at the moment.

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Parapraxis
January 13, 2009 8:33 PM
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@Claytons:

I remember visiting Thailand as part of a tour group, and we were at a resort with other groups from different countries, especially China.

At the breakfast, I've never seen so many people jockeying for position at the omelette bar... it was pure insanity. But simple, direct eye contact and a friendly smile to the omelette girl got me through a lot faster than the plates the other were literally pushing into her face.

I guess Clayton's right- things are a bit different in other parts of the world...

(no, I'm not white- in fact, I was asian, and pretty much indistinguishable from the people around me...)

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cromartie
January 13, 2009 8:14 PM
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I only shop Wal Mart when I must, and in the wee hours of the morning when it's abandoned.


Seems to me that some liberal rules on the use of tasers might solve a number of these issues, no?

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Thanatos
January 13, 2009 9:44 PM
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@cromartie: Im the same shopping at 2am is awesome.

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Bahnburner
January 13, 2009 8:22 PM
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Now that we've firmly established that white people from Indiana are the only folks who pull this kind of inconsiderate crap, the officer should get a commendation and a $1000 shopping spree from Wal Mart. As the times go, however, he will be abandoned and branded a rogue cop with a vigilante streak. How much more respectful would our society be if cutting in line was an automatic ass whoopin with no litigation allowed.

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Angryrider
January 13, 2009 8:42 PM
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I thought it was something drastic, but it turns out it's about a couple of bad consumers. They frickin' fought an officer!

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heltoupee
January 13, 2009 8:47 PM
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To the off-duty officer in this story: You sir, are my hero. It sounds like you did something all of us wish we could do - called these douchebags on their douchebaggery without lowering yourself to their level. Bravo!

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TomTheHand
January 13, 2009 9:08 PM
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I think there's a really important point in this story that may not have been caught by most readers: it doesn't really matter that the guy was an off-duty cop. The only think being a cop bought him was a knowledge of the law.

If someone jumps in line, you mention it to them politely, and they threaten you with physical violence, they've committed a crime and you don't have to be an off-duty police officer to call the police. Similarly, depending on your state's laws on citizen's arrest or citizen's detention, having witnessed their crime it may be lawful for you to detain them (by standing behind their truck) until the police arrive.

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CyrusOpeth
January 13, 2009 9:08 PM
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Come on, Consumerist. Stop this crap already. It wasn't ditching in line that led to jail; the headline should read, \"Father & Son Threaten Cop with Shooting, Go To Jail\".

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3drage
January 13, 2009 9:20 PM
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How come there's never a......

Oh wait.

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allnitecp
January 13, 2009 9:20 PM
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Wow. Nice to see what people think is right and wrong in the name of consumerism.


I am hard pressed to believe that the Pig was all nice and polite when he made his dissatisfaction know to these guys. Yeah Right! I am sure he had some choice words too before he threw in the fact he was a cop.


Am I the only one who thinks that its not YOUR place to try to correct the actions of others, just because you don't think they are following the rules????


So the guy was upset that they didn't show common courtesy, but guess what folks, neither do many of you.


Sounds like the cop was overstepping his bounds in the police state we live in.


I want to hear more of this story to make an informed opinion though.

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coren
January 17, 2009 6:14 AM
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@allnitecp: Is it not my place to tell some jackass that he's not getting in front of me in line? How do you figure? For that matter, why don't I just get in front of him again then?

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layton59
January 14, 2009 1:57 AM
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@allnitecp:OKAY everyone jump in front of poster allnitecp. He will not complain or call the \"pigs\". He is the perfect victim. Too bad, EVIL FLOURISHES WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING.

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Rectilinear Propagation
January 13, 2009 9:39 PM
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@allnitecp: Whether or not the cop was polite in telling them to get to the back of the line threatening to shoot someone is a crime.

You'll have to explain why it's not my place to point out to somebody that they just cut in line because I don't see the problem with that.

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LorneReams
January 13, 2009 9:33 PM
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Did the off duty officer get charged for illegal detainment?

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coren
January 17, 2009 6:15 AM
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@LorneReams: No one was detained - they could have left at any point

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layton59
January 14, 2009 2:10 AM
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@LorneReams: Not sure poster LorneReams, but when the cops try to help you at a crime scene you can ask them. As Al Pacino says in SEA OF LOVE \"Then the cops will be your daddy.\"

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edosan
January 13, 2009 10:40 PM
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\"When Kirby asked Pluhar Sr. what his intentions were, the Frankfort man purportedly said he would kick Kirby's posterior and also suggested he might shoot him.\"

Hmmm...\"an armed society is a polite society,\" indeed.

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FrankenPC
January 13, 2009 10:54 PM
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I never see any of this. Why? Because I avoid Wall mart like the plague. Every time I've tried going into that store, I've gotten this instinctive desire to run as fast as possible from that place. I don't know why.

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tommies2012
January 13, 2009 11:50 PM
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@LorneReams - since they broke the law (threatening the officer), the detainment was legal... now, every state has their own general limitations.

Usually, officers are allowed to make an arrest for a crime when off duty. These two threatened to shoot him, therefore committing the crime, and allowing him to detain them.

If he detained them for simply cutting a line, then no, not legal. But he detained them for the threat (illegal), therefore his detainment justified

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Corporate-Shill
January 14, 2009 12:35 AM
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Sometimes it is so nice to have off duty cops or cops in street clothes standing behind-beside-in front of you.


I was in a sports bar having a meal with the family. About a dozen guys sitting at the next table were all from the State Bureau of Investigation (said so on their coats hanging on the backs of the chairs) having a meal as well. On or off duty they were in street clothes but had their gun belts on.


Pretty visible if you looked in their direction.


Some jerk at the bar got a bit loud and was told to shut up or take it outside... and the jerk retaliated by tossing his pitcher of beer at one employee and swinging at another.


Jerk was promptly taken down.

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savdavid
January 14, 2009 1:00 AM
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Them there people standin in that there line aint as schooled as me and pa! shoot, we is better'n thems!

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TruthAndTheory
January 14, 2009 1:51 AM
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the fact that he said he'd shoot the guy is what bother me most.

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wesrubix
January 14, 2009 1:56 AM
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ahhhhhhhhh hahaha. CHOPPED! so satisfying!

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layton59
January 14, 2009 2:07 AM
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I am amazed at how some folks try to nit-pick the cop's actions. Like standing behind the fleeing van. Too bad, EVIL FLOURISHES WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING. Some of you same lame posters will have stories about another cop not doing anything. And for all the WAL-MART haters: SIMPLE SOLUTION shop somewhere else. K-MART, TARGET, MEIJERS etc will all take your money at higher prices. Stay out of WAL-MART. The aisles and checkout lanes are too crowed with your sorry complaining selves already.

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banmojo
January 14, 2009 6:19 AM
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a good lawyer will be able to get these assholes off and smear the cop's good name. Kudos to the cop for putting these a holes in their proper place, twice.

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Skeletoregano
January 14, 2009 8:23 AM
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Come to Hong Kong. You could nudge, yell, or even use nunchuks on the skull of a line jumper here and they would still pretend to not notice they intentionally cut in front of you. (Last come, first served?)

We need more off-duty cops!

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jamar0303
January 15, 2009 5:23 AM
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@Skeletoregano: Better yet, come up to the mainland instead. Line? What's that?

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battra92
January 14, 2009 2:04 PM
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Shouldn't the cop have beat them senseless and thrown them through a window? I thought that's what cops at Walmart did? ;)

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TruPhan
January 14, 2009 5:19 PM
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Here's the other side of the story: [www.comcast.net]

I'm gonna have to say that these guys are innocent until proven guilty on this one.

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chenry
January 14, 2009 6:10 PM
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That was almost Shakespearian in it's beauty.

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NinjaPoo
January 14, 2009 6:20 PM
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The comments on the original article are pretty interesting.


For the accused side of the story:
[www.comcast.net]


Who knows who's right?

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Anonymous
January 14, 2009 8:12 PM
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Didn't I read someplace that they were told to return to the front after exchanging an item, and the policeman got upset because he didn't think it was fair (they had already been in line for 25 minutes themselves). They tried to explain to the guy, and he wouldn't listen. To me it sounds like the Police-man did more wrong than the two. They even tried to leave, and the cop wouldn't let it go, and followed him. I have been at stores (and the DMV) and been told to come to the front of the line after I find what I need, because they didn't want me to wait in the long line twice. I don't cut - I am told to come back to the front - big difference. People get upset if they don't know the whole story.

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axiomatic
January 14, 2009 8:55 PM
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Well of course Comcast would release a story defending the criminals. Birds of a feather flock together.... and all that.... LOL

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Robert Isbell
January 15, 2009 7:25 AM
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abuse of authority, plain and simple.

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Patrick Omundson
January 16, 2009 7:39 AM
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father/son were both wrong and stupid on several levels.
Although I dont condone police brutality and arrogance...
I enjoyed the way he used his authority on these two...
whether or not his off-duty atatus was justified.

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Patrick Omundson
January 16, 2009 8:00 AM
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why the heck should the cop have to be polite about it.
the two men knew full well they were cutting in line and didnt deserve to be treated with respect. there is a difference between a simple lack of common courtesy and
putting your neck out by commiting and \"in your face\" move by cutting in line and expecting not to be confronted.

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Steve Kendall
January 19, 2009 5:13 AM
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[www.comcast.net]


So this is a one sided event, no chance of a cop a little bit outta line?

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pollyannacowgirl
January 23, 2009 4:18 PM
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What happens if you cut a line in NYC? I'll tell you:


Guy cuts in front of me and I protest. He tells me he had to fill out a deposit slip, so the woman in front of him saved his spot. The woman turns around and confirms this. I tell her \"Uh, no. You can't save the spot BEHIND you, you can only save the spot in front of you. If you really want him to have a place in line, you could let him get in front of YOU. That would be fine with me.\" She turned around quickly and shut her trap. Everyone who was watching this little exchange snapped back to their own business, too.


The man went to the back of the line, which had gotten longer while we were arguing.


Hmmph. Don't mess with a pregnant lady who has to pee.

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