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dorianh49
December 30, 2008 12:34 AM
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He should've just made soap.

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Butte-Monkey
December 30, 2008 7:37 PM
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@dorianh49: The first fuel was made from the lipids of heroes, like the first monkeys shot into space.

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FrankenPC
December 30, 2008 7:34 PM
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@dorianh49: The first rule of biofuel club is, there is no biofuel....christ, you know the rest.

I love how the ex patients are suing. ANYTHING to get a free ride.

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Wormfather is Wormfather
December 30, 2008 1:56 PM
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@darabidduckie: His name was Craig Bittner, his name was Craig Bittner.

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Zach Ingalsbe
December 30, 2008 12:36 AM
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these people suing are sad.

what? do they want the fat back?

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mac-phisto
December 30, 2008 8:48 PM
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@Zach Ingalsbe: turns out (according to the article), they are suing b/c the good doctor's unlicensed assistant (& girlfriend) were performing the procedure.

mysteriously, the doctor has suddenly decided to move to south america & volunteer his wares there. i'm sure there's no case here at all...

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Alex Chasick
December 30, 2008 5:46 PM
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@Zach Ingalsbe: There's an interesting case on what rights (if any) people have to their own discarded body parts and medical waste.
Moore v. Regents of the University of California

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econobiker
December 30, 2008 4:35 PM
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@Zach Ingalsbe: It is not about the fat but the use of and controlling your dna or something like that.


At least he could have given them a discount by weight removed versus miles per pound...

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Beerad
December 30, 2008 2:58 PM
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@Zach Ingalsbe: I agree people are a bit over-litigious, but don't you think you'd like to consent to something like this before it happened? If your dentist turned out to be saving all the teeth he pulled and making a nice inlaid-tooth tabletop for his living room (look, I don't know; he's a dentist, he likes teeth) wouldn't that creep you out a bit?

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sicknick
December 30, 2008 8:05 PM
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@Beerad: Actually, my Dad is a dentist and he recently told me about how he sells teeth to research groups because you can pull stem cells out of them.

It's all quite legal and wonderful.

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Beerad
December 30, 2008 9:22 PM
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@sicknick: Really? If I knew my dentist was charging me a few hundred bucks a pop to remove a tooth, then turning it around and selling it at a profit, I'd be pretty irritated. I mean, I'm glad it's going to stem cell research, but why should your dad profit twice off of my teeth? (Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's a great guy.)


I'd think it would at least be fair to split the tooth-sharing revenue with the patient. Otherwise, I'd just rather have my tooth back after the procedure, thanks. Plus there's all the DNA/privacy issues others have noticed. I don't wear a tinfoil hat, but I do prefer to keep as much of my genetic data as possible out of corporate hands.

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Adisharr
December 30, 2008 3:22 PM
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@Beerad:

My dentist rocks - as long as he does quality work he can have any extra teeth I don't need anymore for whatever purpose.

As a punishment for suing, these people should have the fat injected into their scalps in the form of an ass because they are truly asshats.

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AlxFherMana
December 30, 2008 5:20 AM
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@Zach Ingalsbe: Yea, I was thinking the same thing...who cares..I mean they didn't want their fat when they got the liposuction done...

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Ein2015
December 30, 2008 10:26 AM
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@AlxFherMana: I don't see a problem here... except for the typical sue-happy group. *sighs*

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yagisencho
December 30, 2008 12:42 AM
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Mm...smells like bacon.

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Sean Gamble
January 1, 2009 7:42 AM
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@yagisencho: you know oddly enough, I wonder if when you use french fry oil as fuel it smells like fries and cooking oil from chineese food resteraunts smells like pork fried rice, and hyrogen gives you a face full of vapor. What does \"LipoDiesl\" smell like when burned?

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Zeniq
December 30, 2008 12:45 AM
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...That's a really odd pre-existing law to be present for this. Also, how would fat power a vehicle anyways? I'm disgusted AND curious.

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MrEvil
December 30, 2008 11:09 PM
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@Zeniq: You can convert any fat into bio diesel. Animal fats typically aren't used to make bio diesel because high temperatures are required to keep the fat from conjealing. Vegetable oil is just fat from plant seeds. Chemically they're all very similar and can easily be transesterified into bio diesel.

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ludwigk
December 30, 2008 1:39 AM
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@Zeniq: Rudolph Diesel's original Diesel engines ran on cooking oils, not the refined diesel fuel we have today.

With just slight modifications, any diesel engine can run on a variety of oil types, such as used cooking grease, olive oil, etc. Human oil, as long as its properly purified, is also apparently fine.

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Oranges w/ Cheese hates what Christmas has become
December 30, 2008 3:08 AM
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@ludwigk: Plus, these oils can be processed into \"bio diesel\". Many people are purchasing used cooking oil from McDonalds for just this purpose.

HOwever, many states have laws forbidding this because you get around the gas tax this way.

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pfeng
December 30, 2008 1:28 AM
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If he is in trouble with California, it's presumably under a broad \"inappropriate disposal of medical waste\", not specifically \"state law forbids the use of human medical waste to power vehicles\".

There's a surprising amount of \"um what?\" around this story. Why is lipodiesel.com registered to a mechanical engineering teacher at a California university, and why doesn't it have any Google (or other) cached history? Wired's writeup [blog.wired.com] is better than the article you linked to, mostly because it points out that the Lincoln Navigator (the girlfriend's SUV) doesn't have a diesel engine and couldn't possibly run on biodiesel.

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katylostherart
December 30, 2008 1:33 AM
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@pfeng: actually, considering how long steam powered things were around, with the advent of the railroad and such, it wouldn't surprise me if there were specific statutes saying that laid down the rough equivalent of \"don't burn bodies for fuel.\"

also you have to convert an engine to run on bio-diesel, it doesn't just run in a standard diesel engine.

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kc2idf
December 30, 2008 12:20 PM
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@katylostherart:

also you have to convert an engine to run on bio-diesel, it doesn't just run in a standard diesel engine.

This is incorrect. You have to convert it to run on straight plant oil (by adding a heated tank and fuel line) but not to run on biodiesel. Biodiesel has mostly the same physical properties as dinodiesel. The modifications are made to the oil, not the engine.

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katylostherart
December 30, 2008 8:17 PM
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@kc2idf: hmmm. i was under the impression it took a bit more outfitting around it to make that work. i stand corrected.

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pfeng
December 30, 2008 1:43 AM
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@katylostherart: It still needs to be a diesel engine.

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iamlost26
December 30, 2008 1:25 AM
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@Zeniq: Being a graduate in biochemistry I think I'll take a stab at this.

Gasoline is just a just a bunch of hydrocarbons (Cs and Hs), when you burn them, energy is produced, along with CO2 and H2O (and a bunch of other crap which causes pollution).

Oils and fats are also long strings of hydrocarbons, and so some ppl have started using waste oil from cooking as a fuel source. Logically, fat would be the next step.

Frankly, it's a shame to label anything as \"trash\" when it can be used for another purpose without harming anyone. I think this guy should be praised, not sued.

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proskills
December 30, 2008 3:25 AM
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@iamlost26: You seem to be talking about oils and fats as if they are different, is that the case? I know the olive oil in my cupboard has 100% of it's calories from fat.

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mmmsoap
December 30, 2008 4:51 AM
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@proskills: Chemically speaking, and how the FDA classifies things are slightly different. Oil and fats both are classified as lipids (as are waxes), which is basically a long string of C's and H's as mentioned before. Depending on the exact shape of the molecule, which is usually related to the ratio of H's to C's, some of these lipids can pack together very tightly into solids, where as others don't fit together as well, and remain as liquids. Often \"fat\" refers to the solid form, and \"oil\" the liquid form....so lard is a \"fat\" and canola oil is an, um, \"oil\".

From the FDA's point of view, for labeling purposes, anything that is a lipid is listed as a \"fat\" on the label, regardless of what form it's in.

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morganlh85
December 30, 2008 12:49 AM
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Did the patients at least get a discount on their surgery???

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Jonbo298
December 30, 2008 1:09 AM
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That picture is disturbing...

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AlxFherMana
December 30, 2008 5:22 AM
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@Jonbo298: I think I'd prefer the \"pregnant man\" in this case...

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whatdoyoucare
December 30, 2008 2:52 AM
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@Jonbo298: I sooooo agree. Every time I catch a glimpse of it I think it is a picture of the \"pregnant man.\" ;)

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CumaeanSibyl
December 30, 2008 1:11 AM
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This has to be a biohazard as conducted, but I wonder if there's a safe way of doing it? Seems a shame to let it go to waste.

I know that starts opening up a sort of Soylent Green thing where you can bequeath your body to the energy company, but hopefully we'll have figured out something better by the time the world's oil supply runs out.

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CumaeanSibyl
December 30, 2008 4:09 AM
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@katylostherart: Too bad we can't figure out some way to make oil out of dead bodies without the intervening millennia of pressure usually required.

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floraposte
December 30, 2008 4:51 PM
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@CumaeanSibyl: Mary Roach's Stiff says that Denmark burned the bodies of slaughtered cattle in the foot-and-mouth epidemic to generate electricity. Maybe cremation has a new green cotribution.

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TechnoDestructo
December 30, 2008 3:32 AM
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@katylostherart:

While you really can do that (I think a link other than Cracked would illustrate that better [www.lifegem.com] ), it wastes all the energy in that fat.

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strathmeyer
December 30, 2008 1:13 AM
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So if enough websites fall for it, it becomes news?

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Anonymous
December 30, 2008 1:26 AM
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The individuals are suing for the shoddy work he did, permanent damages suffered and consequential damages from his work.

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Ananelle
December 30, 2008 1:28 AM
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Recession special! 9.99 per gallon!
Contact me for more info about how my amazing fat can work for you!

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AshleyKeen
December 30, 2008 4:58 PM
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@Ananelle: No kidding ;) Where do I sign up to sign my fat away? You buy the cheesecakes, and I'll fuel your car forever!

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ironchef
December 30, 2008 1:45 AM
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the ultimate recycling program.

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frodo_35
December 30, 2008 1:55 AM
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So I guess whale blubber would be a green fuel. What a dilemma.

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hmbddd
December 30, 2008 2:32 AM
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The picture with this post is kinda gross. But then I looked at the post below it \"15 Grossest Stories of 2008.\" Think \"liposuctioned fat\" and then look at the picture from the \"15 grossest things\" post. Ewwwwwwwwww.

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RTFA_SteveDave
December 30, 2008 2:45 AM
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A census worker tried to test me once. I used him to drive to the store to pick up some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

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Ein2015
December 30, 2008 10:25 AM
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@RTFA_SteveDave: I see what you did there... excellent job!

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lauy
December 30, 2008 2:50 AM
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@RTFA_SteveDave: Tomorrow night I'm having a formerly overweight old friend for dinner.

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Dooley
December 30, 2008 2:55 AM
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This came out ONE story too late... TO make the \"Top 15 grossest stories of 2008\"

I would have put this in the top five.

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squablow
December 30, 2008 4:14 AM
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It's people! Soylent Diesel is people!


Somehow I feel like it would have been more morbidly ironic if it was being burned in a German car.


Grossness and political outcries aside, I totally would do this if it were availible to me.

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gc3160thtuk
December 30, 2008 9:05 AM
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@squablow: damn you beat me to it. I was about to type the requisite Soylent Green Biofuel is people msg and I decided to double check if anyone had beat me to it and of course you had LOL. GMTA!

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Consumerist-Moderator-Roz
December 30, 2008 6:22 PM
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@HogwartsAlum: Please up your comment quality. Not only was the soylent green joke stale long before you posted it, please don't post just to show your lulz. You're steering awfully close to a junk comment ban.

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FuryOfFirestorm
December 30, 2008 5:25 AM
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This is the perfect solution to the energy crisis! You see, by driving everywhere instead of walking, we've become fat. So, we suck out the fat and use it to fuel our cars! It's a self perpetuating cycle! Suck it, OPEC!

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rioja951 - Why, oh why must I be assigned to the vehicle maintenance when my specialty is demolitions?
December 30, 2008 6:02 AM
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@FuryOfFirestorm: Yeah ok, but you need to trade in your car for a truck with a diesel engine.
Or better yet, deal the final blow to the big three by importing all those Euro cars with diesel engines. Those are the only cars I know with Diesel engines, the big three only use gasolina for cars, They think diesel is only supposed to be used for trucks.

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econobiker
December 30, 2008 4:44 PM
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@rioja951: The Big (or rather formerly big) Three sell diesel engined vehicles for European consumption. I was in the EU last summer and saw Chrysler products (PT Cruiser, Jeep Grand Cherokees, 300s, etc) sporting CRD badges which indicated diesel engines versus gasoline.

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gc3160thtuk
December 30, 2008 9:06 AM
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@rioja951: gasolina? me thinks someone has been listening to Daddy Yankee lately LOL jk

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SJRNWT
December 30, 2008 8:05 AM
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He's the Tyler Durden of automotive-human fat synergy.

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Oakie Pokie
December 30, 2008 8:57 AM
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animal lard is ok, but human lard is a biohazard. ok, got it.

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floraposte
December 30, 2008 4:59 PM
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@Oakie Pokie: To be fair, animal lard is supposed to produced under fairly strict regulation, which human lard is not, and you're considerably more likely to get a disease from your own species in the first place. It's kind of a rotten trick to spring on the car mechanic.

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rizzo33
December 30, 2008 10:49 AM
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And on top of it all he is/was a horrible plastic surgeon. A very good friend of mine went to him for a lttle lipo on her stomach and she has dents. She is completely traumatized by it. I know... I know... don't judge... she is a nice and down to earth girl who works out a lot and just wanted a little help for the part that wouldn't come off. For what it's worth, she regrets it.

To think that he messed up her stomach and then stole her fat just makes matters worse. What a jerk.

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TheRealAbsurdist
December 30, 2008 7:24 PM
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@rizzo33: Well, when you put it that way... it's hilarious. Sorry, it just is.

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squikysquiken
December 30, 2008 1:46 PM
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I call BS: [blog.wired.com]

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jaydez
December 30, 2008 1:51 PM
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I don't know how true this is... The story is from a Chinese newspaper, there is no way he could have powered his girlfriend's Navigator with \"lipodiesel\" as there was NEVER a diesel Navigator. Additionally, he said he used it in his Ford SUV as well, which would have had to been an Excursion. Does anyone know if you were able to buy a diesel excursion in CA?


I saw this story on a different site a few days ago and I still smell with excrement of a male bovine.

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Wormfather is Wormfather
December 30, 2008 2:02 PM
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Pretty soon you will be able to just throw a kitten in the tank and get on your merry way.


Disclaimer: I'm a dog person, sorry, I'd never do it to my puppy but cute kittens grow up to be evil cats that are sneaky, mean and make me sneeze.


/still bitter about beeing scratched in the face one night while sleeping at my ex's house and having to get three stitches.

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Trai_Dep
December 30, 2008 9:38 PM
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@Wormfather is Wormfather: C'mon. That's how cats show their luv. You should see what happens when they DON'T like you. (note for the squeemish: examine shoes carefully before slipping bare feet into them)

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Irish Lion
December 30, 2008 3:01 PM
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Oh sure, give people a reason to get fat.

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TVarmy
December 30, 2008 4:33 PM
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@kc2idf: Actually, I've heard that warmer weather does not need a tank heater. In summer or closer to the equator, all you need is to filter the oil (ick) and boil out any water (ick ick ick) and then use the car as (ew) normal. Somehow, it all seems less gross with soybean oil.

I've also heard you can mix it with regular diesel fuel in a certain ratio to keep the mix liquid enough to run. I think 50/50 in a temperate climate (mid-Atlantic region/Pacific Northwest of the US), 20:80 in a southern region, and 80:20 in the coldest places, where vehicles probably already have a fuel heater. Still, there's virtue in modifying the vehicle to completely use a non-petroleum fuel source.

Ethically, I see little problem. What else would you do with this medical waste? Throw it away to rot? It's just in terms of sheer, primal disgust that this is wrong. I don't see this spreading disease or anything, since it's for a car where it's burned before being emitted.

However, I've heard vegetable oil makes a french fry smell when burned in a car. I really don't want to know what human fat would smell like as it burns, but I assume it isn't odorless or pleasant.

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m4ximusprim3
December 30, 2008 5:32 PM
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@TVarmy: Why wouldn't it be pleasant? Burning most other animal fats produces good smells (hamburgers and bacon come to mind).

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Trai_Dep
December 30, 2008 5:10 PM
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I note no CA law prohibiting human remains from being used as a dessert topping. Perhaps if Dr Bittner finds his tank running on empty (ha!) he expand his activities to your local grocer's freezer section?

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floraposte
December 30, 2008 7:55 PM
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@Trai_Dep: Ew. Savory for dessert? You're a barbarian. Use it like chicken schmalz, add it to sandwiches for a little flavor. You could put it on the table in squeezable dispensers, just like a nice deli. (N.B. Not certified kosher.)

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Katxyz
December 30, 2008 6:50 PM
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@m4ximusprim3:

It seems like humans might have some sort of natural recognition and hopefully revulsion towards the smell of human bodies cooking, barring the occasional cannibal. The descriptions of the smells from concentration camps were usually pretty negative...

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ursa
January 1, 2009 1:21 AM
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@Katxyz:

Part of the reason why burning bodies smell bad is that you are burning the organs and fluids at the same time - something that doesn't happen when you bar-b-que. There was an article in the paper about some guy who was trying to dispose of a body in his BBQ.

I'd be upset if the surgeon was charging disposal fees.

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m4ximusprim3
December 30, 2008 9:31 PM
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@Katxyz: I'll have to defer to you on that one. I'm not sure our meat is any chemically different from pigs (they're often used as human analogues in medical testing), but having never smelled burnt human (thank god), its definitely possible.

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Katxyz
December 30, 2008 6:53 PM
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@Katxyz:

On the other hand, if this became a viable technology, people would probably find a way to minimize any excess odor.

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Bargaineering.com
December 30, 2008 10:48 PM
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That's a weird law to have... I wonder what it was for.

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adaminc
December 31, 2008 1:58 AM
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Makes me wonder what the exhaust would smell like, I have smelled fries from some W/VO biodiesel vehicles before, but human fat, I am intrigued.

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thorswitch
December 31, 2008 5:12 PM
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There have been questions raised about the plausibility of his claim, partly due to his reputation for not always being the most forthcoming in his dealings and partly because he's been claiming that he's been using this \"lipodiesel\" to power his girlfriend's Lincoln SUV. Lincoln, however, does not make a diesel version of that particular SUV. As for his dealings, under the name Dr. Craig Bitner he ran an MRI \"full body scan\" company (with franchises in several states.)

After those offices were shut down, he started using his middle name, and opened his Beverley Hills Liposculpture clinic as Dr. Alan Bitner - in spite of the fact that he is NOT a certified plastic surgeon, but rather a radiologist. Now that he's had to shut down that business (in the face of lawsuits from patients who had not been told that his Physician's Assistants would be performing the actual liposuction, which may be illegal if I'm understanding the articles I've read correctly) a note on his website says he's moved to Columbia.

In addition to the complaints about his PA's doing the work, many patients have also complained that the procedures - which were done using a local anesthetic rather than a general - were exceedingly painful, they were not provided adequate pain management treatments and that their results have left them with significant scars, non-symmetrical results (for example, one side of the waist curves in further than the other, or one hip is more prominent than the other,) odd \"lumps\" and other such problems.

At this point, I'm not willing to believe this guy has actually accomplished what he claims. If someone else can replicate the results, then I might be able to be persuaded (unless they have a similar track record to this guy.)

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krom
January 2, 2009 5:55 PM
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Don't tell me I'm the only pragmatist who thinks this is a fine idea.

A) What happens to the fat normally? It gets burnt in an incinerator. (Maybe, ironically, a waste-to-energy incinerator!) Or it goes into a hazardous waste landfill. Yeah, we need more of those.

B) If the rich primadonnas placed value on their fat, they would have asked for it back. Perhaps plastic surgery clinics need to have a \"any parts replaced will be returned on request\" policy. Anyway, they didn't ask for it back, I don't see how they can complain about what happened to it. The whole point of liposuction is to *get rid* of the stuff, not to keep it.

C) I really doubt the law specifically says \"it is unlawful to power cars on human fat cells\". It's probably an (overbroad!) application of the same anti-alternative-fuel excise tax \"dodging\" laws used on people who fuel cars with vegetable oil. (See, in my mind, a tax on an item applies to the item, not what you do with it. A gas tax is not a burning-gas tax.)

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