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Sigh...why did I read through all of that?
Sigh...why did I read through all of that?
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a) I think my thesis was shorter
b) Teh gays are picky, aren't they
c) WTF is the \"partner\" not writing on his own behalf?
d) Jesus Christ.
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Not only that, but writing a letter to executive customer service seems a little excessive. I recall an experience I had at Peet's a few weeks back where I ordered a \"tall\" black coffee. They were out. I was given the option of waiting for another pot to brew or to get an Americano instead.
I got the latter, which was just fine. (If a tad hot.) I didn't make a scene, quote their store policies, claim that I was disgusted that they were out of \"regular\" coffee or whatever. I moved on, and even got that Americano for the price of a regular cup of coffee.
There are more important things in life than going a day without your \"regular.\"
Geez, it's a coffee shop, it's a beverage. Has the phrase \"get a life\" ever been more appropriate? Can we get back to some real consumer issues?
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Holy freakin crap. Ok, that was way to long to bother reading, but the summary seamed to tell all that was needed. Bitching about a raspberry coffee? You fail from humanity. Done. Gone. If this is something you can put that much effort into, you need to reevaluate your priorities.
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@BillyShears:
I have to agree. It goes up to the top of my \"I don't get it\" list, topping the hoopla over the iPhone.
@iMike:
2) I was thinking the same thing.
3) Because the writer of the e-mail wears the pants. The other \"partner\" wears the skirt and has no voice of their own.
4) YES!
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@Keeko_ca: Me, too. I want the last 15 minutes of my life back. All of that over a syrup. Go figure. Here's a thought for your partner, Andy...how about trying something different in the meantime?
Man, I really want the last 15 minutes of my life back. :(
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I knew this was coming, that people would make fun of the guy. Come on, we all have our quirks. And it's OK to jeer at him just because his happens to be coffee?
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@iMike: These ones maybe, but trust me, we're not all like that.
Reading this was torture, on many levels. Just try something different until the product actually releases, ferchrissakes...
@BillyShears: Well, if he couldn't get help from managers (specifically says so in the letter) what else is there to do when you get bad service? Do you think all the people who have gotten satisfaction that way are all \"over the top\" too when clerks just don't care?
@iMike: No, we are not all picky. And I would NOT demand to a real estate agent that I need to live by a certain store/restaurant/whatever. That's just sad.
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I find it difficult to care about people who visit Starbucks up to three times a day and are experiencing a crisis when one of the flavored syrups are temporarily unavailable.
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I have to tell you as far as 'Rant and Rage' letters go this one is one of the nicest I have read.
I would not be surprised if they ask to use it in a promotion.
And I thought I was pissed when they stop selling McCaffrey's Irish Ale in bars in the US. Geez.
Talk about burying the lede!
Andy -- 1,820 words written on Raspberry Syrup? Have you ever considered doing something more productive with your time. Maybe a hobby? Volunteer some more? Get a life? Something?
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Whaaaat a minute here. Is Andy a homosexual??! This is gonna sound bad, but \"Iced Venti Raspberry Soy Mocha\" sounds about the gayest drink I've ever heard of.
Whew, I've said my piece...and didn't bother to read that thesis either! Good god!
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Damn, that's a lot of money dropped on coffee and coffee-related beverages over the years.
I gave up Starbucks unofficially a while ago in favor of the affordable Dunkin Donuts varieties (save for the occassionaly mortgage-busting mocha Frapuccino). I've since given up coffee and caffeine to get in better shape and have found so far I don't really miss it.
Too bad all the hard-assed servers got in the way of a simple beverage. Glad it worked out.
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They must have a lot of money if they can afford to visit Starbucks several times a day.
Ok, I know that this was completely ridiculous over a syrup, that is even mentioned in the letter.
This letter would never had been written if a) the girl didnt \"tattle\" on the shift manager when she was doing the correct thing and got her busted, and b) if the manager was not so condesending at the Redmond store.
All things coming together really made us mad. It is about crappy customer service and district managers not following corporate communications.
I am a retail manager and the only thing that gets me through customers like this (along with gritted teeth and a smile on my face) is thinking about how good or how bad that their life is that this little thing can upset them so much. Either life is great and they have no other worries, or life is pure shit and they nitpick on everything. Either way, I'm glad they were taken care of, and I pray they never move to my area.
Uh... I agree with the above posters about having wasted 15 minutes reading this.
I was expecting something BIG at the end like a mouse in the coffee...
I find Starbucks to be overpriced and overrated. It's a product, not a lifestyle. That was nuts and whiny.
@Andywsea:
You could have just said just that instead of the autobiography on you and your partner's coffee purchases IMO. It's like the verbal equivalent to opening the SkyDome because one fan in the stands farted.
Slight overkill!
Anyways, glad you won in the very end.
All that time devoted to a letter about syrup, yet our country falls apart around us.
Some people seriously have screwed up priorities in life.
3 times a day? I only go to Starbucks or Coffee Bean a handful of times a month. 6 drinks at approximately $4 (probably closer to 5 or 6 since they get Venti) equals at least $24 a day! That seems like quite a bit of cash to me.
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garbage in ... garbage out.
The Dunkin Donuts Caramel Coolatta tastes just as good as the Starbucks Caramel Frappucino, and it's a lot cheaper.
@enroper:
45 minutes at 11:00 pm on a Saturday night. Not hardly enough time to save the world.
@Keeko_ca: LOL! :) I was thinking the same thing. A teacher once gave me some great advice when I was young: \"KISS\". Keep It Simple, Stupid.
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I can see where Andy was going with this. Check out the Starbucks Gossip blog and the whole concept of \"third place,\" which Starbucks was for Andy and his partner. Starbucks built an empire on \"third place\" and \"just say yes,\" creating an entire customer base of people who expect to get anything they want, just the way they want it, anytime.
Now I have a bad Journey earworm.
@Andywsea: \"It is about crappy customer service and district managers not following corporate communications.\"
dude, we aren't fooled ... it's all about precious little you.
Wow... I'm not going to make fun of the author of this letter, but we really have our priorities out of whack if we can devote such time to a syrup.
Dunkin Donuts has much better coffee... and donuts. You could eat three glazed donuts for the calorie/fat content of one \"raspberry coffee cake\".
@Jasmo:
Yup, All about me. I am sure that Starbucks was just thrilled to find out that their stores were not following the release schedule for the new syrup.
tl;dr
I love Starbucks. I go in and order a Grande Dark Roast, no cream, no sugar. It's not overrated or over priced. Just because some of you deal with McD's coffee and don't understand what real coffee tastes like, it's not their fault.
Jeez, if you like Bud light, whatever, but don't go picking on Guinness if you can't take it any ways.
Guess what?
They get it right every time.
I mean Chrissake, if a drink had 17 ingredients and they changed the wording around a bit, you'd get confused too.
I'm sure we all have our little obsessions. Kind of crummy for you guys to throw out such demeaning replies and to judge others. We all have things we are passionate about, no reason to demean these people for theirs. Internet anonymity, gotta love it. :(
hahahahahahaha.
i work at an independant coffee shop...if anyone walked in and ordered a iced venti raspberry soy mocha i would...well i would make it except we don't have bullshit like raspberry syrup and our sizes have names that you aren't embarassed to say out loud. but after i made their drink and they left my coworkers and i would have a good laugh.
on the other hand, starbucks is well known for making all kinds of bizzaro drinks, so i can understand why this guy is upset. perhaps his priorities are out of whack but there are worse obsessions. but andy, seriously, a little editing would do a world of good. in addition to being excessively long, it shows the pitfalls of relying on spelling and grammar check i.e. loose instead of lose.
i wish i had the metabolism to drink two 350 calorie beverages every day, that would be great.
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Just about every bigot that commented on here, has missed the point. They were out of the old syrup, had the new syrup sitting in the back, but wouldn't use it. I could understand if no stores had any kind of raspberry syrup and his partner had to wait just like everyone else. But if it's in the store then it should be sold, used, whatever.. that's what it's there for.
I am a Seattle gay, and we aren't all like this!
Really, no one cares about your frou-frou drinks and no one who goes to Starbucks that much is doing anything for their health or wallet.
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THESE are the people who come to my Starbucks on Eastlake. GET THEE BACK TO SHANGHAI!
@3drage: Nah, I say crap to people's faces all the time. Ask my boss...God knows she keeps talking to/writing me up for ripping people new assholes everyday.
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@3drage: Actually it's totally correct to judge others. People who don't judge others tend to get their throats slit giving rides to people who they should never let into their cars in the first place.
I always get something black with two shots of expresso in it. Adding anything else just weakens the buzz.
\"......District Manager (Peter) who then talked to the Shift Manager at Westwood and told her that under no circumstances are they to sell the Juicy Raspberry.\"
Spent a year in retail in an airport. Hey, when we got told not to sell something, we stripped it out soonest and it was gone to the warehouse. Sometimes management didn't tell us peons why.
There are other things in life besides iced venti raspberry soy mocha, and it doesn't hurt to try something new now and then.
Now speaking as someone who knows customer service, those two stores did fall down on the job. Never be rude to a customer even if one feels like shooting them.
@Rusted:
\"Spent a year in retail in an airport. Hey, when we got told not to sell something, we stripped it out soonest and it was gone to the warehouse. Sometimes management didn't tell us peons why.\"
Too bad Walmart can't hire you guys to take those Nazi shirts and poison dogfood off their shelves...
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All this over raspberry syrup? I think Andy and his partner need to seriously consider getting a hobby. Raspberry syrup is OUT. Deal with it. Sure, if my favorite drink were an Iced Venti Soy Raspberry Mocha, I'd probably be upset, but not obsessed.
My response would have been \"Oh, that's terrible.\" That would have been the end of it, and I would have ordered something else. Life is too short to get that worked up about raspberry syrup. Even if they did have \"juicy raspberry\" in the store and wouldn't use it, I just can't see making this big of a deal out of it.
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I actually liked the letter. Andy made SURE to tell the Executives just how loyal a customer he is. With the name-dropping, that can be checked out. Often, customers who drop that much cash on a company's product get really nasty with their requests; these people just wanted to be served something that was already in the store (though not yet for sale).
It's not like they wanted a bookstore to open cases of the new Harry Potter early.
For what Starbucks charges*, they can bend a little. I'm glad they did.
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*I can't afford Starbucks three times a MONTH. Then again, we buy Kirkland coffee which, I believe, IS Starbucks, and make it at home.
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I just refuse to believe there wasn't a Starbucks in Eastlake in 2001.
Nope, closest one was on Olive or on Broadway on Cap Hill. The Eastlake store only opened up about 2 years ago.
Hey, Consumerist.. I went to mcdonalds the other day and they were out of bbq sauce. It practically ruined my life. I was thinking of writing Exec Customer Service, making sure to include a tangent on how my car's A/C isn't working and this one time when I went to Joliet, IL and saw this really funny billboard.
You think I could get an article on it?
OMG. God help us if he ever has a real life problem. You can imagine the poor starbuck's baristas seeing him come through the door going \"oh no!\" I am sure this letter must be framed and hanging on a wall in some Starbuck's Office.
Does anyone else think that maybe the Starbucks culture has gone even more over the top than the Mac culture? I remember flying into SEATAC my first time for my brother's wedding. I asked the gate agent where the rental car counters were and it was something like \"go down two Starbucks, make a left, and it'll be just past the fourth Starbucks on your right.\"
Ug. i work for the bux, and this kind of thing happens a lot. Here is a sort of........formula, for dealing with customers like this.
just say yes. get them to leave happy. WHATEVER IT TAKES. why? because they .....are....CRAZY. If the end result wont A) get me fired, or B) Break the law, then its happening. If thats what it takes to get the CRAZY person out of my store happy, then thats what i will do. why? because people....are....CRAZY! Anyone who has ever worked with the public knows this. Its fact. Its law. Its not \"bad\", usually, but its the damn truth. I cant explain why someone wants a Iced, 5shot, 1/2 caff, venti, 3 pump vanilla 4 pump caramel, breve, with whip, mocha drizzle, 4 splenda latte. I CANT. Some people can wrap their heads around Schrodingers Cat, and some people can wrap their heads around the idea of a person that would order that drink. I have a hard time with both.
NO, we are not supposed to use that syrup until the appropriate date.
Yes, we should have just SAID YES to make the CRAZY person happy. CRAZY or not, its not a big deal. its just a syrup. its not selling the new Paul Mccartney album 3 weeks ahead of time. whatever. No one is getting hurt. it will all be ok, i promise. just give the CRAZY person what they want so they will go home happy. Its that easy.
What happens when you dont make the CRAZY person happy? They go home and write CRAZY letters to anyone that will listen. in this case, our CEO.
Once you realize that the customer could potentially be CRAZY, \"just say yes\" becomes a lot easier to use. It doesnt have to mean youre buckling to someone who may be rude, or have a request that isnt kosher for whatever place you work in. Remember.....if it wont get you fired, or its not against the law, just make them happy, because they are CRAZY.
It chaps my ass when a consumer thinks just because they have been using a product for XX number of years/times, that they are entitled to special treatement. The one store you frequent was probably doing you a favor to shut your whiney traps up. So this one time they cannot bend over backwards for you, you are turning your backs on them. Nice. Bet you ditched your mom when her breast milk dried up.
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Yes Starbucks is a ripoff but when you pay that much for coffee, they better kiss your ass.
Holy shit, there really are people like this in the world? I just thought they were over-the-top characters usually played by Parker Posey (god, I love her) but didn't actually exist off the screen.
It's such a weird and wonderful world we live in.
Making life difficult for workers for following policy. That will show them! YEAH.
Did you ever consider that the person who let you have the Juicy was breaking policy! And you probably got them in trouble over this.
I can't believe the editors thought this was worth posting.
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I'll relay a story about my wife's experiences recently with Starbucks. And hopefully I'll make it a tad shorter than Andy's acount:
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Wife likes Frappuccino. Wife sees in window - New! Orange Mocha Frappuccino. Wife goes in and orders one.
Wife hates said Frappuccino. Says tastes like orange children's Tylenol.
Wife goes to different Starbucks few days later. Chats with barista. Mentions she didn't like orange mocha frappucinno. Barista apologizes -- and gives wife a coupon for free frappuccino next visit!
Week later - wife goes back to original Starbucks. Tells barista there she received coupon at other Starbucks. Barista so moved by story that she comps yet another Frappuccino. Wife wowed by service.
The End.
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I hope this made sense to everyone. I had originally kept in the portion of the story where we moved from Birmingham after our parakeet Roger passed away. I apologize if the omission made the story more difficult to follow.
I just wanted to say that most of the comments here have restored my faith in humanity. Thanks guys, it was wavering for a fem minutes after reading about raspberry syrup.
Oh, and Shiny, LOL sir, L-O-L.
While I do find the extent that this was taken to a bit silly, I do applaud the customer for being polite and professional about it.
As long as you aren't being a complete asshole, there's nothing wrong with voicing your opinion to an organization, no matter how insignificant the detail.
As expected, it didnt take long (only until comments 2, 6 and 18) for his gayness to be blamed for his actions. But I suppose it has taken decades to get past the \"uppity negro\" stereotypes that whites had way back when and that it takes certain kinds of people a while to progress.
Anyway, I think Starbucks should keep doing shit like this-- enough people will stop going there and start patronizing real, local coffeeshops.
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I'm never really clear on why a complaint about bad customer service (or the perception of bad service) becomes an opportunity for other readers to cop \"holier than thou\" attitudes about the products being purchased.
\"You got bad service at McDonalds? Well no surprise, that's why I don't eat fast food, it tastes like shit...\"
\"The Barista, whose job it is to make the drink you want and are paying for, wouldn't? Who cares, I hate coffee! Drink water!\"
What on earth does the product being purchased (and you the reader/commentator's opinions on the product) have to do with the actual act of customer service? If the product doesn't fulfill your wants and needs than any consumer who desires said product and also desires good service in exchange for their money are dipshits who get what they asked for? How does that make sense?
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This guy sounds like he's living a tv character. Iced Venti Soy Rasberry Mocha? WTF??? I bet after the Starbucks exec read that letter, she laughed hard at \"Andy\" for being such a nerd and then at her self for reading it.
Somewhere in a corner lies a smug-looking \"Andy\" thinking he wrote the best letter in the world but in reality, he's jus plain retarded for shellin out a premium for regular coffee with long names and some rasberry syrup.
The joke's on you Andy!
@Ray Wert Jr: You're joking, right? I mean, you're playing the coffee snob card, but you go to Starbucks?
That's really adorable.
@backspinner:
Hey, I just want it to be known that I never said anything about his gayness, or placed bias in my response because of that possibility.
I'm just on the same bandwagon as those that are confused as to what kind of society we live in where a lack of Iced Venti Soy Raspberry Mocha that lead to a confrontation in which employees were following store policy was a major consumer catastophe. Phew, major run on sentence there...
In fact, I'm quite convinced the article was posted as a joke to begin with.
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I did a few month in the email trenches at Starbucks Center in Seattle. It was a nice seasonal temp job in 2004/2005.
Andy would have received gift cards or \"service recovery\" (free drink) coupons and his complaint would have reached the appropriate person within the company no matter what channel he used to contact the Mermaid. That's the standard response when a customer reports any service issue.
The response from the licensee division (Starbucks stores inside grocery stores are run under license by the grocer and not directly by Starbucks) is also par for the course. This is a huge company, yes, but they are freakishly interested in the voice of the customer -- and that's a good thing!
So while Andy's patting himself on the back for a job well done in getting his matter resolved... this is pretty much just the standard response from the company and something that happens dozens of time a day. It's how they react to customer complaints.
As far as the length of the letter, many of you might think it's a bit long-winded and I guess it is. But trust me, to the person on the receiving end of that missive, Andy's letter isn't even in the minor league of long and/or crazy. There was one guy over in Bellevue who would craft rants four times as long whenever his local Starbucks didn't stock maple scones that day.
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Obviously none of you have had a significant other with an addiction to Startbucks frappachinos or something else equally addictive. You'll move heaven and earth to get your loved one what they want, and obviously hanging around starbucks this guy had plenty of time to write a long and very informative letter... That got to job done, got his partner the raspberry syrup, and is now a hero. Oh, and got an article up in consumerist too. That's what I call a successfully completed mission.
oh, for pete's sake. Yes, I'm sure all the people making wisecracks here are thinking \"hey, there can't possibly be any GAYZ reading this, so let's all make snide remarks about DA GAYZ so us STRATE guys can go nyuck nycuk nyuck.\"
or, they may have just thought that Consumerist readers had a sense of humor.
I mourn the loss of pumpkin spice every February. I made it all the way to Valentine's Day this year before they ran out. And my barista was holding some back for me. I only visit Starbucks during Pumpkin SPice season and I make my own mochas the rest of the year. The Torani Pumpkin Spice syrup is a sad, shitty substitute and is not even close to the heaven that is SB Pumpkin Spice.
But I don't throw myself on my keyboard and have a controlled fit when they run out.
The point isn't what drink Andy's partner wants or how often they go to Starbucks, the point is he emailed them and they got back to him. Quickly. Promptly. They addressed his issue (valid or not), and made him a happy customer. So much of Consumerist is about exactly that, companies that do or don't act with their customers in mind. I favor indie coffee stores myself, especially after a 10-year stint in Seattle, but I appreciate the fact that they actually deal with the folks that drink their stuff.
I work as a barista at Starbucks. Let me just say that you can get into a lot of trouble if you give syrups/pastries/whatever out before the release date.
Baristas in my store were giving the orange syrup to customers a few weeks before the official release. We ended up with district managers in the store inspecting sales reports and posting warning signs about it in our back room.
Plus you can buy raspberry syrup for like eight freaking dollars from the grocery store. Just get a bottle and bring it in the store with you and say \"NOW WHAT?!\" as you put it in your drink. I'd laugh.
While I agree with most of the comments here that this was excessive, pathetic, shocking, and more than a little sad, I must also say that this devotion to Starbucks is one of the funniest things I've read in ages.
@Ponygirl: A very good point often overlooked; but the non-sequitur is so much more rewarding, because it allows the writer an opportunity for solipsism (and you know how everyone loves talking about themselves).
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Admittedly I didn't read the whole thing, but let me just say that I know how it feels to have a company to cut a favorite component of a favorite drink or menu. I was quite irritated when they got rid the Valencia (orange) syrup...brought it back for a few months to tease people and then permanently axed it from the lineup. There was nothing like a Black Tea Lemonade with Valencia on a hot summer day.
Fucking Starbucks.
And stuck-up preppies across america weep...well, they actually hire someone else to weep. You know, tears could ruin their brand new custom-made, Italian apparel.
a guy i know just came back from the war with no left foot. you are complaining about syrup.
Having lived in Seattle in the last decade (altho no longer), I can understand as I've observed it first-hand, the seemingly bizarre mania that folks there have for their coffee and all that goes with it. I can remember spending too much time in line waiting to just get a tall mocha behind those that have byzantine, near cryptic orders of half-caf decaf low-caf no-foam peppermint with a raspberry twist 185 degree mocha with room orders. I quite believe some of them must lose sleep at night trying to come up with even more convoluted orders.
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You know what? You guys are jerks.
I hate Starbucks as much as the next self-righteous, home-roasting lesbian. But it's not cool to pick on the guy because he likes it or because he's gay. I didn't realize so many consumerist commenters were such assholes.
Yes, it's coffee but it's STARBUCKS.
Fuck that shit, I used to work at my local BN cafe and people were so freaky picky. It gotten to a point where I would just served whatever the hell they wanted and if Andy and his partner ask for the Raspberry Syrup, we would just give it to them because it's all about the profits.
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You know, I'm glad he got his coupon and all, but this is the kind of letter the customer relations team probably passes around for a good laugh once they craft their reply. \"Hey, guys - check this out! This one goes back to 1997 and talks about trips to foreign countries!\"
Wow... I agree with the vast majority of people here who can't beleive the selfishness and gluttony expressed in this complaint. Visiting Starbucks several times a day.... lounging around while your partner is at work getting to know the baristas...
How much money do you make that you can afford this self-centered lifestyle, and then complain that the new syrup might not be to your liking? No wonder you got your local store to give it up for you... they saw you coming.
Oh, and have you considered giving up one fruity coffee a week and sharing your wealth with someone starving or facing oppression in another country? You do realize how arrogant and unreal your letter sounds, right?
I think the \"buck up it's only coffee\"and \"he's being a whiny asshole\" crowd are missing the point. It's not for us to judge how he and his partner spend their time or money. He was commenting on a consumer experience, and he made his point that he is EXACTLY the type of customer Starbucks wants. If they are going to build their business on overpriced drinks that satisfy every conceivable consumer desire, and they have found customers willing to pay and be loyal based on that model, then they should be made aware when one of their policies is pissing off these very consumers. We may not care that much about rasberry syrup, but Andy did, and he took the time to write to them about it. Any senior executive of a customer-service based business will tell you that Andy did them a HUGE favor, and the customers you worry about are the ones who don't make a stink but just never come back.
As a side note, there were lots of offensive homophobic comments going on about these two, and if you guys think otherwise you may want to reexamine what you wrote and what you were thinking when you wrote it.
Ooh I so wish I could bury this story. It's a freaking drink, Andy! And I thought I was gay ordering a \"venti chai latte\". Sheesh.
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Homophobic much, you guys? Geez. This doesn't have anything in the world to do with the sexual orientation of Andy and his partner. I've seen straight men order more complicated drinks than this at Starbucks. Enough with the rude comments.
Was he somewhat loquacious in his e-mail? Yes, maybe. But he likes what he likes, and it seems silly that they refused to use the new raspberry flavoring for his drink when they've discontinued the old one.
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I want my 5 minutes back...damn, I read the whole thing! I will say this much, at least the guy can write. Amazing how such an otherwise boring story can be written well enough to hold your attention.
Advice: Caribou Coffee - they crush Starbucks, like grape!
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From my Starbucks experience as a \"partner\" a few years back, the Rasberry (and Almond) syrups were the only two that would get tossed by their one month pull date. Most others get used within a week or so. Vanilla and Caramel get replaced daily, even three or four times a day.
For someone so loyal to Starbucks, they should know that drinks and syrups change. I used to get people who were still upset about us getting rid of coconut years ago (I believe it is back now). It's not a communication issue, we are not supposed to sell drinks before they roll out, even if it is a replacement. They'll even have the supplies to make the drinks out for partner tasting, but we can't sell them. It happened to me when a lady wanted a pumpkin spice latte just before we started selling them. The syrup was on the counter, but my shift supervisor told me no. I was just a kid in college and didn't want to get written up so I said that I couldn't sell it to her. What she did get was a free drink coupon to get a free pumpkin spice latte when they did come out in two weeks.
So all that effort, and this guy is probably going to get a $5 gift card (the free drink coupon covers any crazy expensive drink you can think of making) and someone telling a store to do something they're told not to do.
\"No more Raspberry Syrup? Whatever shall we do?\"
[pounding fist on table]\"I don't know. I. JUST. DON'T. KNOW.\"
\"I'm concerned that the new Raspberry will be more acidic and a bit more tart than the old syrup.\"
\"Hold me.\"
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I knew people were going to act like little pompous jerks in response to this. Some people need to spend a little more of their summer vacation outside.
Bottom line: the company considered his claim valid and did right by him. He wins.
Those of you who feel justified in mocking somebody who is very specific about the treats he or she likes are just lame. So what if you like your Folger's crystals or International Foods (\"Jean-Luc!\"), your Peets, your Tully's, or whatever other kind of coffee - myself, I prefer only a dark italian or french roast drip coffee or an Americano. But I fully recognize that taste is subjective, and if it makes you feel better to make fun of somebody's coffee habits, you deserve an OLD SKOOL GOLD STAR stapled to your forehead.
\"We would also like to see a more fruity flavor available. . .\"
wow.
10 years of starbuxxx, drinking an average of 2 drinks per day @ 4$+ / drink = an absurd amount of money
straight or gay, WHAT A WASTE!
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@ahwannabe: I'm offended. As a straight male I've been trying to curb my use of \"nyuck\", yet your comment single handedly undoes all the hard work I've put into bettering myself.
Now I need an iced soy venti mocha latte cappuccino venti raspberry coffee drink.
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To everyone using the \"get a life\" comments. Pot, kettle, black. You can't post anything on the internet and have a life, don't you know. This guy spent less than an hour typing it up. If he hadn't said so, I would have assumed he just did it at work like most people here. I hope sitting at your computers accusing others of having no life makes you feel good about yourselves.
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I didn't find the subject of the article boring or offensive. This is exactly the type of thing that a company like starbucks promises!
It's nice to see a company actually address a complaint rather than justifying their employees' rudeness, or just ignoring it all together.
I was a bit taken aback by the editorial comment on G.W. Bush. Like him or Loathe him... It just seemed really out of place...
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@badteaparty: Well Said.
The guy was pretty verbose, but he also apologized for it right up front and he said he was \"painting a picture\" which was important to establish what kind of customers they were, and how loyal they were to the brand and the company.
To all the people who are all \"wah wah wah *$ is crap i wouldn't flush my toilet with that shit...\" You might think it's garbage but Andy and his partner obviously don't. I'm sure you eat or drink some stuff that other people would say the same thing about, so ease up on the judgements.
In my retail career often times we'd get products that were time-sensitive and were supposed to be held in the back to conincide with a marketing campaign or some holiday or something like that and we had to tell people that we didn't have it or couldn't sell it or whatever. Rarely though were these products typical things we carried anyway but had to pull off the shelf or not restock until the promo date. I believe this is the case here. The syrup was changing a little bit but it was replacing the old stuff. It was tied in with a marketing campaign and they weren't supposed to sell it yet, but overall outside of that campaign it was supposed to just replace what they already sold. The managers and barrrrristas were \"just doing their jobs\" by not selling it, but ultimately if you've got it, why turn down the money?
Oh, and it's not because he's gay. It's because he's more affluent than you, has travelled more than you, is happier than you overall, has more time than you, AND he's gay. That's why everyone's all panty-twisted and ZOMG teh Ghey! over it. Jealousy. I wish I had my life together enough that the only thing I had to worry about was the flavor of my latte. Sadly, I don't, so his letter seems a bit \"I've got more than you but don't even realize it\" and that stings.
I'm happy for Andy and his partner though because he got his latte, got through to someone higher up at *$ and ultimately got bloody satisfaction.
Look, all I want to know is if the neighbor had anything to do with the story. Did she tip you off to the release schedule of the syrup? What was her significance to the letter?
You can spend your money on whatever you want or demand whatever syrup, I don't care. Just don't drop a storyline.
@Keeko_ca
That meant to refer to comment 3, but I pressed 2 by mistake. I was referring to iMike who said \"teh gays\" are picky. Apologies for the typo.
Stories like this make me glad I don't barrista anymore.
BUT, there was one time when a customer insisted on a decaf, soy mocha made with carob. She was such a pain about it that I slipped her a regular mocha with extra choclate and 2% milk. She came back the next day to compliment me on the best mocha she had ever had and wondered why the decaf, soy mochas made with carob she usually ordered didn't taste as good.
I told her it was all in the technique.
OK, so I worked for Starbucks for five years, and let me provide a little insight:
1. We are generally under VERY strict orders not to start using ingredients for customer beverages, or even talk about. And here's a perfect example of why.
Basically, the clerks (I refuse to call anyone at starbucks a barista anymore) at your \"home store\" were being nice and considerate, since they knew your \"partner\" (I was getting confused, since starbucks calls their employees partners).
The clerks at another Starbucks would have no idea of your raspberry \"situation\" and would not be inclined to disobey their superiors, considering how Starbucks, at least when I was there, loved to write up people on every little thing. Depending on the district, employees there live in fear of management, and won't generally go out of their way for a customer they don't know.
I had a similar situation once with a promotional item, a customer ordered it, but I didn't make a big deal of it, I just went ahead and made, and kept the whole thing under wraps, but explained to the customer that generally we weren't allowed to do this, and if another store says no, here's why, and explained why.
This comes to mind:
\"What we have here is a failure to communicate.\"
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You know, before reading this, I had a lot of sympathy for Cambodians that were starved near to death before being executed by some thirteen-year-old Pol Pot fanatic tying a plastic bag around their head then laughing maniacally as the victim slowly asphyxiated, twitching and retching bile into the bag stretched across their face until they finally died.
But no more. Those guys had it easy!
@hrvc55: I think you're putting actions into the situation that didn't occur (saying this story makes you glad you don't barrista anymore). There was nothing in there of the guy raising a fuss, or being rude in any way. He asked one store why he could get it at another store, and was treated rudely by the management. When he asked if he could get the flavor at other stores, he merely left when the answer was no. I don't see where he was being a rude customer.
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@The Nature Boy: doesn't drinking an \"Iced Venti Raspberry Soy Mocha\" increase your risk of incinerating yourself and your friends after a wacky gasoline spray-fight gone horribly wrong?
and to all the knee-jerkers out there: the beef isn't that he and his partner are gay. it's that they're frivolous to the point of being caricatures. one of my gay friends feels guilty if he's coveting a jetta with extra chrome; these two are the epitome of gayness-as-sideshow.
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Yuppies whining about their coffee... I feel dumber for having read the whole thing.
[baristabrat.blogspot.com] has made some good points about why certain starbucks locations shouldn't give customers special treatment (like making drinks that aren't on the menu, or using fancy new syrups before they're supposed to be used), because then customers will expect to get that treatment at other locations as well. if *nobody* was supposed to use the syrup, it's not that one starbucks' fault that the other starbucks used it. if you want something you're not supposed to get, don't expect to get it everywhere. instead, be grateful that one place made an exception for you. it's entirely possible that a store manager could get disciplined by his/her supervisor for rolling out a product before its \"official\" release, so i understand why the one starbucks wouldn't use the syrup.
anyway, this all reminds me of doug stanhope's bit on the subway breakfast sandwiches. but at least doug presented his dilemma in a hilarious, rather than whiny and annoying, way.
@Recury: That gave me the biggest laugh I've had all day.
As far as the homphobia debate goes, I think people are more making fun of Andy and his partner's picture-perfect Gay-Lifestyle-in-a-Box, which caricatures itself so efficiently that it needs no further lampooning. And good for Andy and his partner, and I'm very happy he got what he wanted from this whole exchange, and that in Starbucks, they have found that perfect life partner.
However, I would hope that Andy is equally as passionate about writing his elected representatives about ending institutionalised discrimination against us gays and lesbians, or the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, or doing something serious about climate change or Darfur or oil dependency or any of the other myriad problems that it would actually be worth giving a fuck about. As opposed to his partner being denied his fruity latte concoction of choice by a corporate coffee megalith.
And FWIW, I think the Caramel Sauce Latte sounds like almost as big a mouth-abortion as that Orange Mocha crap they're peddling now.
Oh My Gawd. I'm with y'all--he crazy.
I'm gay, not self-hating or homophobic in the least. I read this and thought, \"That's the kinda whiny elitist sissy who gives us all a bad name.\" Geez.
Dude's crazy. Letter's absurd. If the store's out of something, rather than asking them to change their whole policy for you, show a little luv back to your own blessed and holy provider of froofy drinks and chill the heck out.
Crazy. You're a loser and you've shared it with the world. We're not all like he is, straight folks. And plusly Tully's is better 'cause they have mocha milkshakes.
Wow...just...wow. There's brand loyalty, and then there's just creepy.
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I'm so glad I got to read ALL of that. I'm also really glad I got to read a whole lot of insults towards homosexuals.
It's just syrup. No big deal. Why did I waste 7 minutes reading all of this...
They seem like a cute couple, anyway.
i'd say it's time for Andy to:
A) get an editor
B) buy a coffee maker
C) tell his 'partner' to get checked for diabetes
D) get a life
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Honestly I don't understand the obsession with Starbucks. Also, would it have killed them to drink something local when they're a hemisphere away? I just don't get it.
Hmm. I hadn't even realized the genders of the people involved. I thought the use of partner was odd, but I was paying more attention to the complaint about a relatively insignificant thing to notice whether or not the complainer was gay or not.
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Most of the people commenting on this thread don't know anything about Seattle or the coffee culture. I lived in Seattle for 8 years, and people take their coffee very seriously there (usually these people do not shop at Starbucks, but that's another issue). In Seattle, this would not be out of place behavior. I also think Andy's letter was very polite, and the reason he wrote all the backstory was to show the level of engagement he has with the brand! Obviously, a loyal customer is worth more to Starbucks than a casual customer. Customers like Andy and his partner are probably responsible for a large percentage of Starbucks' profits. (And not working and hanging around in coffee shops all day is also very Seattle. It's not that expensive to live there.)
Also, STFU with the homophobic crap, you jerks. I know plenty of straight men and women who order frou frou drinks. Finally, move to NYC where all the coffee sucks and there are like 10 independent coffee shops and you'll start seeing Starbucks as the wonderous invention that it is.
People are so mean. If you couldn't tell from the title that the post was about raspberry syrup and nothing else, all you have is your own stupidity to blame. That is what this site is for, I thought, for customers to speak out when they feel they have not received good service?
IMO, it isn't JUST about the coffee, it is the principle. It is the same thing we see all the time, employees who don't use common sense and could care less about the customer. I mean, come on, did they REALLY think they would get fired over giving this guy syrup in his coffee before the \"release date\"?
By the way, wtf does sexual orientation have to do with any of this, people? What a bunch of a**holes!
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Ok look.
Yes we all agree that he may be a bit overboard on this (maybe borderline crazy), but let's do the math and see how much he loves this institution:
An Iced Venti Soy Raspberry Mocha:
Approx. $4.50 (won't get into large stuff)
Times a day:
At least 2 (for bare minimum, sounds like a lot more)
Times a week:
7 days a week (2 blocks away from said store, plus have map layout of stores, plus in Seattle)
Weeks a year:
52 weeks of delicious unmasculine said drinks
Years being a customer:
10 Years (1997 to Present)
So putting all of this math together we get (Approximate):
$9.00 a day
$63.00 a week
$3,276.00 a year!
$6,552.00 a year for his partner and himself!!!
Now a lifelong total surpassing $30,000 per person not adjusting to inflation of products!!!!!
Now including the fact that each one of them are consuming over 700 caffinated drinks a year averaging around 350 Calories they are also gaining 245,000 Calories from Starbucks a year.
I am a firm believer in doing whatever you want with yourself and your money, so if you spend this much time and energy (especially in the gym) to just get a damned cup of coffee then you should have it with any syrup you want period. It's about customer service not customer disservice.
That being said, maybe they should reevaluate their priorities in life.
- T
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The amount of gay-bashing in these comments really disappoints me. People who make hate-mongering comments may find their commenting privileges revoked.
This is typical Microsoft employee and family. This is how they roll.
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the math:
Bux drink $5
2 drinks a day, Andy and partner.
4 drinks at $5 each = $20 a day
Started in 1997, going on for 10 years
365 days X 10 years is 3650 days
3650 days at $20 a day is $73,000
If you throw in the extra pair of drinks on weekends thats 840 possible days of the 3rd drink for both of them.
840 possible weekend days for an extra $5 for each of them is $8,400.
$73,000 + $8,400 = $81,400 for 10 yrs of coffee.
Something is really wrong with this !!!
I C someone already did the math before me. I should have pressed \"read MORE comments\".
I think those who claim this story wasted 15 minutes of their life and then took the extra time to comment are even more amusing than the original story! Regardless of the product involved or the letter-writing tactics used, the larger point here is that an arbitrary policy was causing customer dissatisfaction. A customer spoke up. The policy was changed. In that regard, how is this different from any other success story posted here?
@hrvc55:
You're pretty lucky that the customer you're referring to wasn't lactose intolerant when you falsified her drink. I am also glad you don't barista anymore.
@MMD: Or worse yet, lactose allergic. I've got a friend who's allergic to dairy, and getting a glass of milk like that would have done some serious damage.
Okay, so first let me say that I didn't have time to read all of the comments above, but I did read the post, and as a former starbucks employee, 1) I can completely understand HOW something like this could have happened, and 2) I am saddened by a once great brand losing its effect on people's lives.
This story is not about someone not getting the drink they love everyday at every store, nor about them being picky, but about how they are treated as a fellow human being. One thing I learned at Starbucks was standing up for what you believe is the right thing to do for the customer, whether it breaks the so-called rules or not. You will not get fired, but as long as you can explain your actions to your superiors, you will only gain more of their respect.
Starbucks is beginning to lose this level of character, and maybe has lost it for a long time. I gained it over a period of seven years, but as Starbucks continues to grow, how hard is it going to be to keep this culture alive?
The managers of Andy's and his partner's regular stores should have been able to stand up to their DM and explain the situation. There is no way that any self-respecting DM would say no to retaining customers. To making a customers day, every day.
And, just one more thing. Definitely not to undervalue syrup itself, or any product at Starbucks, but this is completely different from selling something at Best Buy, or even the Apple Store (a better comparison, since Apple is company owned). An added syrup is 35 cents, not $500+, and not something someone is going to buy early, and then sell on the black market before the launch date at a highly inflated price. It is syrup, and it is continuing to enrich your relationship with that customer. Really, that is what it always has to come back to.
Starbucks exists to enrich people's daily lives. Not to sell coffee, not to create a music label, but by doing these things, connect with people. That is something Wall Street doesn't understand. It is something corporate America doesn't understand. And it is something you and I find it hard to understand, as we live within this corporately minded society. And as Starbucks continues to hire more and more people, it will be their challenge to change the mindsets and the culture of those individuals.
And I thought I was a high-maintenance gay. This is through the roof. A whole. Notha. Level.
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Doesn't matter if Andy and his partner are gay or straight, high-maintenance or not. They had an issue with a corporation and resolved it rather civilly without resorting to boorishness or unethical/illegal solutions, which is far as I can see is the raison d'etre of the Consumerist...it just sad to see how many people can get over being assholes just because it's the Internet...
Guys, seriously. Don't y'all know that if you are a regular at Starbucks and get to know them well enough, you get your drinks for free? I used to go, literally, 8 times a day. I never paid once. There is no way they pay for all those drinks.
For all the people that are saying the baristas at their local Starbuck's were just giving them what they wanted to get them out, I can tell you that that is highly unlikely. My ex-husband and I went to the same Starbuck's for 5 years. 2 of those years were prior to our wedding and, in fact, 3 baristas actually attended our wedding. If we went into \"our\" Starbuck's and they were out of something that we wanted (it happened occasionally) or we tried something new and didn't like it they were always willing to replace/exchange/substitute/issue some sort of Starbuck's credit (be it gift card or coupon) to make up for our trouble. Starbuck's strives to make customer happiness a priority and in most cases they do. When the Java Chip Frappuccino went by the wayside I don't think I paid for a drink for a week. When my whole bridal party stopped by on my wedding day they comped all of our drinks. There were 12 of us.
On a related note, it's pretty astonishing to see that people are still capable of such blatant idiocy. Not the writer, I mean the people that say things like \"The gays are picky\". Are you really that ignorant, uneducated and afraid of someone who is clearly more well-spoken than you? I'm straight and I still love my Grande White Mocha Frappuccino. Oh, and all the digs at how he/they are spending money are absurd. What do you care how they spend money? Maybe instead of spending it at Starbuck's they should just hand over all that unspent money to the people that complain how silly it is to expect to get the same level of service they've come to love and expect over the years at all of the Starbuck's locations.
And that's my rant. For anyone that takes issue with this, it took me a total of probably 15 minutes of computer time to type it up. I do have a life, I'm straight, I stopped periodically to handle phone calls and various other things. Someohow I still deemed it important to comment on this. It's amazing how upset people get because this man went to bat for something. Bashing him and his sexual orientation and the way he lives his life does not make you better than him. At least he voiced his opinion in a reasonable, calm, adult manner. And now I'm done.
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Yeah, um, I can't work up that much \"care\" for people who get that specific with their caffeine.
It's coffee. If I'm in Starbucks I order it black with a little bit of room for cream. Seriously, \"Iced venti raspberry soy mocha\" sounds like the punchline to some joke.